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Christopher.D.Norton.writ
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Report this Sep. 09 2012, 4:14 am

Why is it that Bones almost always talks about Spock as if he is fully Vulcan?  Are we supposed to take this that he is one of those racists who calls a Mulatto person fully black unless something specifically draws attention to his white side?


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Report this Sep. 09 2012, 2:34 pm

It's true that Bones frequently refers to Spock as "You Vulcan __!" in times of crisis, and tends to refer to Spock's physique as uniquely Vulcan -- especially when he;s ticked-off by Spock's ability to survive what a human might not, or when the difference means that McCoy doesn't fully understand what the Vulcan is sufferring from. 


McCoy is at heart a good ol' country doctor, seeking the simplicity of a mint julep under a tree on a warm summer day. He doesn't want to be bothered with all of the excitement of Star Fleet. He was drawn to the job (as was uniquely stated in the movie, finally making it canon) because of a nasty divorce in which his wife took most of his worldly belongings. Left without a house, and daughter who presumably was still pretty young, alimony payments, and no place really to call his own, Doc McCoy made the choice to take a job that might get him as far from his troubles (while still drawing enough credits to alow his family to live as they were accustomed to living). 


So put yourself in his shoes...the boy from the south turned doctor has been thrust into space, and hates it. As a result of his hatred of his situation, he lashes out often against the ones he loves, sometimes showing a signifiant prejudice of anything out of the ordinary, like Spock. 


Bones isn't really a racist, he just doesn't enjoy dealing with anything outside of his own circle of friends. (The fact of the matter is that we were supposed to feel that "Southern KKK mentality", though, in order to make us think harder about racial prejudice and how thin the line really is when dealing with stereotypes.) 

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Report this Sep. 09 2012, 2:54 pm

First of all the movie itself says it’s not cannon but a new time line; and personally I found the move very, very, very racist: e.g. in tos uhura was a very dark skinned (possibly as dark as any living in Africa in the late 23rd century) woman who was treated as a pure equal to all other onboard.


 


In the JJ movie she was a mere tool chauvinistic directors used generationally to reduce women to a love interest, and even then cause her to only be in any scene to support the men's story lines.


 


And she didn't even earn her place by her star fleet exams; she had to be brought up through affirmative action.


 


I know you probably came to your political consciousness post 9/11 but that was the most racist time in American history since the releasing of Japanese from internment camps; and I'm really sorry you had to experience that, but it was the rolling back of all the Beatsd tried to do in the 50's, of all the 60's c& 70's ivil rights movement, and even the attitudes political correctness (PC) was trying to introduce, and actually spelled the end pf PC, which I never thought I'd see in my lifetime 


That said stay cool  and stay real and stay real cool


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Report this Sep. 09 2012, 3:00 pm

oh yes and that's me in the middle and the actress they had playing her was, no joke, lighter than my mother with a tan, and lighter than most of the Latinas I dated below their tanline; and latins say part of the tension between African-Americans and Latin-Americans is that when someone want a perosn of color but not a black they use a latin, and I suspect is he could have that's what jj would have done here 


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Report this Sep. 09 2012, 8:24 pm

Quote: Christopher.D.Norton.writer.activist @ Sep. 09 2012, 2:54 pm

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class="MsoNormal">First of all the movie itself says it’s not cannon but a new time line

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It is canon...in an alternate timeline.


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 12:48 am

Quote: Christopher.D.Norton.writer.activist @ Sep. 09 2012, 4:14 am

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class="MsoNormal">Why is it that Bones almost always talks about Spock as if he is fully Vulcan?  Are we supposed to take this that he is one of those racists who calls a Mulatto person fully black unless something specifically draws attention to his white side?

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Spock himself identified as Vulcan and for most of his life tried to suppress his human side. It could be argued that McCoy was respecting spocks self-identity.


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 3:00 am

 


I can see why you say that, but he could also be seen as saying "(in addition to all you are [human] I am also) Vulcan" because he is saying remember I also have this inside me: like a black man in America doesn't say to a white man in America, I am 5/8th white and 3/8th African, he says I am African-American, but would be very offended if a White American said he was either tribal as they were many hundreds of years ago, or like Africans are today in their wars.


Additionally its important to realize that one definces oneself as what's dif from thier surroundings, if a white Christiant went to the middle east (when we still saw them as white) one would not judge their racial dif. but religious;  but if going to a an entirely Christian chinatown one would be very aware of their racial dif. but would not like to be told that they were not christian, but many times the doc says you inhuman...


 

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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 3:14 am

I think the key word is southern dr. remember that when they have Spock being biracial its probably not an analogy of half Latin half Anglo or half Asian half Westerner, but half white and half black.


 


I think its okay that he's racist, and doesn't like him; because they are the right and left sides of the brain so should be at odd, but racially isn't it better to say being a Southern Dr., rather than saying "he has to be like me" (not prejudice) "in order for me to like him" as we are all prejudice so that's delusion and doesn't allow you to eliminate that prejudice if you don't know you have it to begin with; but more importantly, they come torespect each otherand actually become good friends and thus be a demonstration, not of one who happens (purely by chance of environment or genetics) is not a victim to their culture (as we all are) but showing each of us how to overcome them, if also to be able to say hey southerners don't be racist, and hey northerners, you see you can be friends with racist southerners, because you can find things you have in common and respect each other, without giving up your own morality.


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 3:16 am

If you don't think you are bigoted get in a relationship with someone of a dif. race and once you really love each other, see what you say to them in your worst fights, I bet some of it will not be politically correct.


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 8:01 am

Dude, could you take your racist rants to another site, please?! Star Trek is about equality and acceptance. The whole point is that everyone is equal and can do equally. That was Gene Roddenberry's vision. That's why there was a black lady on the bridge of the ship in an important role during the 60s when most of them were treated as secondary, useless people. That's why in the original pilot episode there was a woman second in command during a time when women were still trying to attain equality with men. That's why the crew was made of of Scotsman, Chinese, Russian, English, and even an alien, and why every crew on every show was made of a diverse group of individuals contributing to the whole. The Vulcan IDIC: Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. People like you can take anything and make it sound or seem to be racist when it's not, and it's people like you that keep racism alive and well. Can we please just discuss Star Trek and stop with all this hate-mongering?


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Report this Dec. 11 2012, 1:43 am

McCoy is not a racist, but rather objects to something specific about Vulcans--namely their lack of emotion. He often confuses this with a lack of compassion. I can't remember how many times McCoy said something like "That man is standing there_____________ and all you can do is apply your logic? Don't you have a heart?" The icnterplay allows the show to explore the roles of reason and emotion in our lives--with Spock and McCoy as chief representatives of each.

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Report this Jan. 03 2013, 2:29 am

I think Spock and McCoy represented racial attitudes and issues of the time. As to JJ Abrams, he's doing to trek
What Fred Friberger did to Space 1999 in year 2.

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Report this Jan. 04 2013, 6:16 am

Quote: JK1701 @ Sep. 10 2012, 8:01 am

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>Dude, could you take your racist rants to another site, please?! Star Trek is about equality and acceptance. The whole point is that everyone is equal and can do equally. That was Gene Roddenberry's vision. That's why there was a black lady on the bridge of the ship in an important role during the 60s when most of them were treated as secondary, useless people. That's why in the original pilot episode there was a woman second in command during a time when women were still trying to attain equality with men. That's why the crew was made of of Scotsman, Chinese, Russian, English, and even an alien, and why every crew on every show was made of a diverse group of individuals contributing to the whole. The Vulcan IDIC: Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. People like you can take anything and make it sound or seem to be racist when it's not, and it's people like you that keep racism alive and well. Can we please just discuss Star Trek and stop with all this hate-mongering?

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Yeah, what he said.  Obviously, there is still racism in the world, but twisting something that is not racist into something that is just makes matters worse, not better.

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Report this Jan. 05 2013, 10:33 pm

My take on this incorporates sort of a misunderstanding on McCoy's part.  He sees the ultra-logical mind of Spock at most times confusing so he attempts to "understand" or "point-out" the differences when his anxiety levels peak. 


It also sort of plays, for me at least, into the comedic lines shows from this era tended to follow.


 

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