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The Voth

OneDamnMinuteAdmiral

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Report this Sep. 05 2012, 9:17 pm

I just rewatched 'Distant Origin' and it I was thinking to myself that if the Voth were so narrowminded in their Doctrine about so many things how did they even achieve the things they did? Was it simply because as a race they had been around for so long, or was it just that we really only see the view of one leader who is extremely narrow minded?


On one hand it was nice to see an episode that didn't end with one of the Voyager crew talking a species they just met into a whole new way of thinking but on the other it was sad to see a species that had achieved so much be bogged down by what were essentially religious views. And yes, I get that that was the point of the episode.


Also does this mean that the Voth were seeded by the Preservers from 'the Chase' or does this episode contradict that?


So what are your thoughts on the Voth?


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Report this Sep. 07 2012, 1:47 pm

I once watched that episode 5 times in a row once. I love Voyager! (almost as much as i love Odo )


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Report this Sep. 07 2012, 3:05 pm

I would say it was probably a combination of the 2.  They had been around long enough for any records of the migration to disappear, either completely gone or suppressed.  The society had been made to believe it was from there, and it had become a part of the mindset.  The leadership may have been made up of religious fanatics and/or probably felt it needed to maintain the belief to maintain its control.  If the distant origin theory took hold, there might have been a significant number that would want to go looking for the true homeworld.

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Report this Sep. 08 2012, 12:24 pm

Hmm do you ever think they will come back to Earth? I would think that would make for an interesting story.


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Report this Sep. 09 2012, 10:31 pm

That could be interesting.  In the near future (from the episode), I would say probably not for any authorized mission, but perhaps a group that would likely be labeled as radical heretics.  In a much more didstant future, after more exposure to the idea, perhaps there might be a somewhat less controversial decision to do so.


 

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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 12:49 am

I think you're missing whole point of the episodes, which is that they were dinosaurs man, real live dinosaurs man!!!!


That said, and in standing with trek codes and practices: how many times do you head republicans (who let’s face it represent the wealth and power in America, the richest and most powerful country in the world now or ever) talk about a strict religious code, while making it clear they never read about the writing of the bible from the historian’s perspective, or linguistic expert’s perspective (other than one who became so purely to reinforce Christian beliefs); nor ever read about the life and times of Jesus from anything other than the bible; but just regurgitate what they learned in their home town as a child without ever once questioning it or trying to reconcile it with the facts learned in adulthood in the modern world?


 


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 1:06 am

I do not want to get into a religious or political debate, but if you watch the history channel, learning channel, biography channel and A&E on a regular bases you probably know the main view in the fields of the people studying the times and places of the bible and early Christendom generally are (when they are not stating accepted religious teachings as being true as one of the assumptions which they are making and thus will not be questioning it and thus they will appear in their conclusions no matter what) was:


 


#1 that the three main gospels of the new testament was written by historians of the Library of Alexandria using since destroyed texts, which they referenced without quotes to differentiate even their paraphrasing from their own words, let alone ever saying they weren't paraphrasing, let alone giving any footnotes so we know what other European non-Jewish sources they used; to make political statements about the time and place they lived in not about Jesus' time, not about god or religion, for instance Revelations was a cry for terrorism against Rome, nothing more nothing less (according tom the people interviewed in one such program, which I've heard repeated several times from seemingly separate and independent sources).


 


#2 Jesus himself was simply trying to remove European (specifically Greco Roman) influences from Judaism, but Saul/Paul latter removed virtually all Jewish traditions not coinciding with the areas of Europe Christianity spread to, either directly or by others spreading it who saw what he did (or at least its effect) and continued its effect and then also (both directly and indirectly) added about as much of the European religions aspect that could exist together with the other European aspects, which would be made easier by the sects or denominations.


 


But still the republicans say what?  That we need to do something either because the bible says so or because it’s what Jesus wanted.


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 1:08 am

I am glad Anime Odo loves Odo, its just cute


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 8:19 am

Quote: Christopher.D.Norton.writer.activist @ Sep. 10 2012, 12:49 am

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class="MsoNormal">I think you're missing whole point of the episodes, which is that they were dinosaurs man, real live dinosaurs man!!!!

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Actually, I did pick up on that.  The point brought up with this thread did not contradict that.  We were simply discussing that the Voth leadership refused to accept it because they seemed to think that believing that they werer where they started was more important than acknowledging that they came from somewhere else, even to the point of ignoring the rather impressive accomplishments that would have been necessary to et them so far from their true point of origin.


As for the rest, I suspect this thread is about to get really hostile as other political discussions do.

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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 9:10 am

I didn't mean for it to, you probably just thought so because of culture shock from diferent views as yours, I was raisded christian but have been Jewish and Muslim for marriage, both after hearing such things; before finding another possitive place to move to one sees such things as aggressive, but when seeing something more appealing, one can take the best of both worlds (without the cybernetics) e.g. pacific islander muslims do not pray to ask got to take something from someone else because the one praying is more worthy, but see god as their father and their prayers as they crying of a baby in need asking for help; once no longer seeing the need to support such claims made in Western Christianity, just because they are not relevant either way one releases the stress over worring about gthem and after years is amazed that they (or anyone else) ever excepted such silliness as what they really knew wasn't true but didn't want to be criticized for being dif. so choose not to look at.


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Report this Sep. 10 2012, 9:11 am

and make incredibly complex rationalizations to support


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Report this Sep. 12 2012, 8:37 pm

Thanks  i think your the only one who thinks so


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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 1:55 am

 You didn't have those reactions after watching all those edu shows on the history channel, learning channel, biography channel, even A&E, etc. and then feeling like you’re fighting with yourself, till you date a few people outside of your religion once having that knowledge and then feel like, I've no reason to get defensive about learning new things, all these other groups of people have such a spiritual and moral view of the world, and their religion is about spirituality and how to be good to others, not to say I'm right and your wrong because I grew up 20-miles from you so my religion is ever so slightly dif than yours; and also realizing how such spiritualists sees god as a father and praying as a child's crying to him, not I'm more worthy than other people so take it from them and give it to me... so you just forget about all that hateful western form of Christianity, and concentrate on spiritualism, till you think; I don't believe what rationalizations I went through and how much time I wasted trying to figure out about the true meaning of the words to the bible, when spirituality is so simple and loving?


 


 That didn’t happen to you?  Maybe it is just me, but I hope not


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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 1:56 am

now I really have to work

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Report this Sep. 13 2012, 1:57 am

Now I really have to work

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