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Lannister

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Report this Feb. 03 2013, 2:01 pm

Final Frontier was not the worst Star Trek movie ever. The Motion Picture is the absolute worst of them all. This movie is utterly boring. It's pretty much a glorified Special Effects piece. This movie is almost as bad as 2001: A Space Odyssey. In the Motion Picture, the only entertaining moments were basically the end when something happened, though the opening wasn't that bad either with the Klingons, but the rest was crap. Just long bits of nothing happening and bad acting, whereas the only good bits in 2001 was HAL going bonkers. Both of these movies are Scifi at it's worst. I'm not the biggest fan of Blade Runner either, but that movies is miles ahead of these two. I always love it when people say that Blade Runner or 2001 are true scifi. Compared to Alien (scifi/horror), Pitch Black, Wrath of Khan, those two movies pale. A great movie is a great movie regardless of Genre, and those three movies can stand on their own. I won't say that Final Frontier is a great/good movie, but it is watchable. I agree that it has good characterizations and the soundtrack is excellent. It's flaws are on the FX and rather boring villains. Final Frontier I do believe is the first trek I ever watched since I was born in the 80's. I may thus, have a little bias towards it. I've never been a big fan of the TOS due to it's over-campy nature. It just doesn't hold up in my opinion. Perhaps if I was born in a different era, I may find the show better. The only character I really liked from watching the show was Spock. Kirk made watching the show unbearable, just from the bad acting and the I can beat up everybody and all the women love me crap. From growing up watching the movies repeatedly to watching TOS much later in life, is like watching depth and layers of a character get removed. The movies portrayed him as cunning and intelligent, where the show did not do that often enough, though he did have episodes of brilliance. The show to me suffered too much of "queue the campy bad choreographed 60's fight". Had the show had a lot more episodes like Balance of Terror and City On The Edge of Forever, I'd be barking a different tune. Hell the movies portrayed all of the characters better except for maybe Spock who was pretty much as he was, but all the other minor characters got more to do. I loved the scenes between Kirk, McCoy, and Spock in Final Frontier. The Camaraderie made that movie at least decent with the other points I made above. As much fun as it is to bash Shatner on his directing and that he shouldn't lead another project, I think he's still miles above Gene Roddenberry in terms of running a project. Gene Roddenberry is to me like George Lucas in that he has brilliant ideas, but other people should be involved to strip out the bad and put his concepts together in a dramatic fashion. As was mentioned, the studio pretty much shafted Shatner, and he also didn't get ILM help. Had Gene gotten his way, we would have never have had Patrick Stewart.


I'd rank the movies in this order:


1. Undiscovered Country


2. Wrath of Khan (honestly, this movie is a tie with UC)


3. First Contact


4. Voyage Home


5. Generations


6. ST 09


7. Search For Spock


8. Nemesis


9. Final Frontier


10. Insurrection


11. Motion Picture

Kaleb The Guy

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Report this Feb. 03 2013, 10:38 pm

Hey Lannister, You do not know how overjoyed I was to read your post. I am a teenager hence Star Trek is "uncool" or "lame." I am very fortunate to read your reply as I respect/agree with almost everything you have said. First of all I do agree that The Motion Picture is a horrible first attempt at a Star Trek movie but I still hold it in quite high regard for them even having enough confidance to make it, after virtually failing the animated series. I completely don't know what your talking about when you say 2001 is a bad movie. I agree that I don't like it when people call it "classic" sci-fi, but then still as a stand alone I find it quite incredible. I have never seen all of Blade Runner but from what I have seen I think its not too bad bad but once again, I hate that title! Alien, I agree is an amazing sci-fi and horror movie. The first time that I saw it I was frozen in complete awe. Though Pitch Black I didn't like very much but still, not anything intolerable. Though the reason I don't enjoy Final Frontier and knock it is because of Shatner's disgusting directing and also the complete ovecamp/cheese of it all. For example, when Scotty knocks his head after saying "I know her like the back of my hand," I cannot stand that monent. Also when Uhura dances naked. What The Fuck? Also I can see the reasons why you don't like TOS and I think that they are perfectly justified but the reason I enjoy TOS is because of the reasons you don't. And I agree with everything you say about Kirk/Shatner, he is an overcocky bastard but an enjoyably campy one to see. That's exactly why i watch TOS for the cheesey side of sci-fi and Next Gen/DS9 for more dirty/grunty sci-fi. Where as even the TOS movies have a similar feel to The Next Gen shows and movies. I found it hard to adjust to the TOS series as I saw the movies first.  Also I think that Insurrection should be much higher on your list. Finally I totally agree with you about, Undiscovered Country, it is virtually forgotten and underated


As for my movie order (though i enjoy them all is...):


1. Wrath of Khan


2. The Voyage Home


3. Undiscovered Country


4. ST 09


5. First Contact


6. Insurecction


7. Generations


8. Search for Spock


9. The Motion Picture


10. Nemesis


11. Final Frontier


Sorry but another thing, how syked are you for Into Darkness (beside it's name.) Also I exceptionally enjoyed reading and replying to your comment so if you would post any more things about sci-fi in general on my profile I would appreciate and enjoy reply to the comments!


 


Kaleb The Guy, Star Trek fan with an obsession

Kornula

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Report this Feb. 04 2013, 1:26 am

Should not this be posted in the MOVIES forum?

RoTrekkie

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Report this Feb. 04 2013, 8:44 am

Star Trek II for me. Always Star Trek II

Lannister

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Report this Feb. 04 2013, 4:03 pm

Quote: Kaleb The Guy @ Feb. 03 2013, 10:38 pm

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>Hey Lannister, You do not know how overjoyed I was to read your post. I am a teenager hence Star Trek is "uncool" or "lame." I am very fortunate to read your reply as I respect/agree with almost everything you have said. First of all I do agree that The Motion Picture is a horrible first attempt at a Star Trek movie but I still hold it in quite high regard for them even having enough confidance to make it, after virtually failing the animated series. I completely don't know what your talking about when you say 2001 is a bad movie. I agree that I don't like it when people call it "classic" sci-fi, but then still as a stand alone I find it quite incredible. I have never seen all of Blade Runner but from what I have seen I think its not too bad bad but once again, I hate that title! Alien, I agree is an amazing sci-fi and horror movie. The first time that I saw it I was frozen in complete awe. Though Pitch Black I didn't like very much but still, not anything intolerable. Though the reason I don't enjoy Final Frontier and knock it is because of Shatner's disgusting directing and also the complete ovecamp/cheese of it all. For example, when Scotty knocks his head after saying "I know her like the back of my hand," I cannot stand that monent. Also when Uhura dances naked. What The Fuck? Also I can see the reasons why you don't like TOS and I think that they are perfectly justified but the reason I enjoy TOS is because of the reasons you don't. And I agree with everything you say about Kirk/Shatner, he is an overcocky bastard but an enjoyably campy one to see. That's exactly why i watch TOS for the cheesey side of sci-fi and Next Gen/DS9 for more dirty/grunty sci-fi. Where as even the TOS movies have a similar feel to The Next Gen shows and movies. I found it hard to adjust to the TOS series as I saw the movies first.  Also I think that Insurrection should be much higher on your list. Finally I totally agree with you about, Undiscovered Country, it is virtually forgotten and underated

>As for my movie order (though i enjoy them all is...):

>1. Wrath of Khan

>2. The Voyage Home

>3. Undiscovered Country

>4. ST 09

>5. First Contact

>6. Insurecction

>7. Generations

>8. Search for Spock

>9. The Motion Picture

>10. Nemesis

>11. Final Frontier

>Sorry but another thing, how syked are you for Into Darkness (beside it's name.) Also I exceptionally enjoyed reading and replying to your comment so if you would post any more things about sci-fi in general on my profile I would appreciate and enjoy reply to the comments!

>


 


I'm glad you enjoyed my post. It does seem like a lot of the people who do love TOS love the camp factor in it. The very strange part is I like campiness in other shows which I absolutely love such as Hercules/Xena. These shows had tons of camp in them. The one thing that was absolutely great in TOS was the banter between characters. The only show that came close to the hillarious banter of TOS was DS9 with Odo/Quark. TNG and Voyager weren't close to these other two. I can't raise Insurrection higher on my list. I actually don't think it's a bad movie, it's just not as good as the others. A lot of folks generally think it's abysmal, but I think thats a bit much. It would have made a great two parter or three parter for the series, though they did have a very similar episode already. I cannot disagree with your points about the overcamp in Final Frontier.


As for the new upcoming movie, I haven't actually read too much on the movie. I did watch the trailer the other day. I may have to watch it a couple of times and get a feel for the villain, whoever he happens to be. I haven't honestly been to the movies in a good long while. Stupidity on my part. Though block-buster/well written epic movies like Star Trek or movies like Batman are the only type of movies I can justify spending money on. I didn't see 09 in theater. I was at the time one of those folks who thought it was going to suck, but I found that I rather enjoyed it for what it was. I still think that it has a Star Wars vibe, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Kaleb The Guy

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Report this Feb. 05 2013, 1:51 am

Hey Lannister, I actually didn't see ST09 in the cinemas either, it was before i loved Star Trek. I wish I had as I was given the opputunity and unfortunately turned it down. I agree though, it does give that Star Wars vibe, because of that i don't know if you've heard or not about Star Wars VII but there is and it is announced that J.J Abrams is directing. I guess Disney found that Star Wars feel as well. (Disney bought out Lucasfilm)


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