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Gul Dukat: Good or Evil?

dreem24

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Report this Oct. 03 2012, 10:49 am

A good complex charecter with was ruined by all this crap around zeal's dead...


 


He was a charecter that wanted the best for his people...


 


Once you think about it every "evil" dictator wants the best for at least 80% of the popullation and it kind of goes with "the need of the many.." well we speak about true lider "Caesar,Hitler and so forth despite all the people witch will be sacrificed under the "dictator" the nation will prosper much much more beyond the "democratic" possibilities..

Sehlat123

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Report this Oct. 03 2012, 11:17 am

Quote: dreem24 @ Oct. 03 2012, 10:49 am

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>Once you think about it every "evil" dictator wants the best for at least 80% of the popullation and it kind of goes with "the need of the many.." well we speak about true lider "Caesar,Hitler and so forth despite all the people witch will be sacrificed under the "dictator" the nation will prosper much much more beyond the "democratic" possibilities..

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What?!?!?!?!? So you mean Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Castro were good for the people? They killed them, and threw most into poverty!! And by the way, the USA defeated the soviets in the cold war, we won the space race (mostly) and survived while they collapsed.


Anyway, Dukat was defenatly evil. He was an arrogant crazy creep.


"Borg. Sounds Swedish."

dreem24

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Report this Oct. 03 2012, 2:45 pm

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Once you think about it every "evil" dictator wants the best for at least 80% of the popullation and it kind of goes with "the need of the many.." well we speak about true lider "Caesar,Hitler and so forth despite all the people witch will be sacrificed under the "dictator" the nation will prosper much much more beyond the "democratic" possibilities..


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What?!?!?!?!? So you mean Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Castro were good for the people? They killed them, and threw most into poverty!! And by the way, the USA defeated the soviets in the cold war, we won the space race (mostly) and survived while they collapsed.


Anyway, Dukat was defenatly evil. He was an arrogant crazy creep.


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Yes they ware but  i don't expect a average american to know it... 


USA defeated the soviets(dont say this in russia you will be shot)??? How exactly do you defeated us i don't remembar СССР going in  war i mean do you really think that if СССР wanted to attack you will survive even now Russia will win...


 


And first americans say that using nuke is bad and when  soviets stop treaten with nukes they make it seem as they are the right 1's even when they do the same...


 


The space race was totall crap if you think that any russian cares about it..


And no americans don't win


german scientists do because most of them go to america after all a german(soldier,scientist) going to a red army soldier will most likely end with the german being shot down like a dog...


That's why you are so proud of the "american" moon landing


 


Collapsed yeah and so? When EU collapse we must all say that germany had collapse??

MoppyCGDaniels

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Report this Oct. 03 2012, 3:24 pm

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>Once you think about it every "evil" dictator wants the best for at least 80% of the popullation and it kind of goes with "the need of the many.." well we speak about true lider "Caesar,Hitler and so forth despite all the people witch will be sacrificed under the "dictator" the nation will prosper much much more beyond the "democratic" possibilities..

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What?!?!?!?!? So you mean Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Castro were good for the people? They killed them, and threw most into poverty!! And by the way, the USA defeated the soviets in the cold war, we won the space race (mostly) and survived while they collapsed.

Anyway, Dukat was defenatly evil. He was an arrogant crazy creep.

 

Yes they ware but  i don't expect a average american to know it... 

USA defeated the soviets(dont say this in russia you will be shot)??? How exactly do you defeated us i don't remembar СССР going in  war i mean do you really think that if СССР wanted to attack you will survive even now Russia will win...

 

And first americans say that using nuke is bad and when  soviets stop treaten with nukes they make it seem as they are the right 1's even when they do the same...

 

The space race was totall crap if you think that any russian cares about it..

And no americans don't win

german scientists do because most of them go to america after all a german(soldier,scientist) going to a red army soldier will most likely end with the german being shot down like a dog...

That's why you are so proud of the "american" moon landing

 

Collapsed yeah and so? When EU collapse we must all say that germany had collapse??


I don't think judgeing by your words ("red army" & pro-EU voice) that you realy are from Russia. In case you haven't noticed the Cold War is over for years. The CCCP won't strike against the US in a war at least both are friendly to another since the MIR-station was used for also the NASA.


 


There won't be for sure a nuklear war between the two powers.

randy kerr

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Report this Oct. 03 2012, 3:36 pm

he was a sick little monkey.

dreem24

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Report this Oct. 04 2012, 4:48 am

red army" & pro-EU voice ??? Pro EU ???? Are ou kidding me i hate EU i just used it for example... CCCP wasnt only with Russians i am Bulgarian i mean how do you deafeted CCCP no russia and red army was an example for our own army(we dont have one anymore democratic assholes sold it out)




by red army i meant something to admire to




Despite the fact that we are in eu and nato the majority of the people dislike/hate eu ,us,nato...




As for russia and russians as a whole we consider them a brotherly nation


after all they liberated us...

Mitchz95

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Report this Oct. 04 2012, 8:40 am

Quote: dreem24 @ Oct. 03 2012, 10:49 am

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>Once you think about it every "evil" dictator wants the best for at least 80% of the popullation and it kind of goes with "the need of the many.." well we speak about true lider "Caesar,Hitler and so forth despite all the people witch will be sacrificed under the "dictator" the nation will prosper much much more beyond the "democratic" possibilities..

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Are you seriously trying to say that you support the atrocities Hitler and Stalin committed?


Please tell me I misread.


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Report this Oct. 04 2012, 9:04 am

I think Dukat was a bit titched in the head.  He may have thought he was purely good and doing it all for the good of Cardassia, but at the end, even some of his fellow Cardassians were looking at him like he had gone round the bend

jrowebb

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Report this Oct. 08 2012, 1:13 pm

Totally a self-deceptive person who turned to be quite EVIL. His character was always one that tried to convince others, and himself, that what he did on Terok Nor had some type of silver lining. ST: DS9 "Waltz" was that character's BEST episode. Hands down the most evil Cardassian EVER.

Fleet Admiral Braxton

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Report this Oct. 08 2012, 3:10 pm

If Dukat Wasn't A Cardassian, He would Pretty much Be Like BSG's Gaius Baltar: Trapped. However, He Had A Strong Lean Towards His Ego. 

Data_Lives

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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 3:15 am

Not evil. Power hungry maybe but not evil. Ziyals death caused him to go insane and become obsessed with the pah wraiths. Great character.


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Report this Oct. 18 2012, 12:40 pm

Gul Dukat is awesome hes good then evil then good then evil but never boring!


Heghpu' ta'

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Report this Oct. 24 2012, 2:00 pm

As for the question whether Dukat was evil ... I will say simply yes. 


Now to qualify this I will also hedge that he was a dynamic character that was also a Cardassian (as others have stated) and thus should not be judged my human or Federation ethics; per say. 


I, personally, never really like him (was more of a Vorta kind of guy) but Dukat was a good villain.  He saw what Sisko was saying when Sisko left his baseball; he had a love for is half-Bajoran daughter (or was this just a weird form of jungle/narcissism?); he was very "fertile", as someone mentioned; he also a a weird thing with Kira's mom (crazy connection BTW); and true ... he was one "sick little monkey"; but no one is perfect. 


The crazy and melodrama hit the fan when he started his own religion and then got caught up with the Wraiths and then went blind and so on. 


What blew my mind was his relationship with Kira in Myriad Universe stories and how no matter what he always winds up with a Bajoran lady. 


Weird stuff and I choose not to analyze a fictional character. 


 


Jolan Tru

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Report this Oct. 28 2012, 9:29 pm

My vote goes to mentally Ill. The guy really learned how to believe his own lies.

kkt

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Report this Nov. 03 2012, 9:35 pm

Besides all the other evil stuff he did, he sold his own country to the Dominion!  And that was before Ziyal's death.  Yes, he was an interesting and complex evil character.  Sure, he had some justification for most of the evil things he did... that's what evil people do.  He says he was less harsh as prefect than others would have been, but we have no outside confirmation of that.  I think he's an unreliable narrator.


 

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