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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jun. 22 2012, 5:21 am

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>If this is not a mistake then what is - its worse in fact than the Chekov thing in TWOK.

>You say Sam was his middle name. I have a brother that I refer to by his middle name. When I talk about him to my colleagues and friends and people who won't even meet him I always refer to him by the same name not interchangeably by his first and second names.


You are in error, and now your equating your actions and behsaivors as if they are the norm or only way to do things.


I have a older brother that I refer to by 3 different names when I talk about him to my wife or friends/co-workers..His english first name, his Spanish first name or his Spanish middle name.his middle name.


I interchange between those 3 names, and a name we used to make fun of him when we were young as the mood strikes me.


Just because you dont deveate, doesnt mean everyone does things like you.


And if 'Sam' had had 3 children don't you think McCoy would have mentioned it?


Why would he need too?Maybe he knew the other 2 sons werent on Deneva.Maybe he knew they died some time before.


sorry, but you cited no solid mistake.


 


 


 


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Report this Jun. 22 2012, 5:30 am

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>Her memory was completely wiped of all knowledge including language.  Not to completely rule out the ridiculously remote possibility that someone else on the ship would have known it and would have been able to teach it to her, but it would be completely ridiculous to start off teaching her a language that would be of absolutely no use to her ability to return to duty to the point that she could rant fluently in frustration over her ability to pick up the most basic words of a language necessary to do her job.


I see where your going.But I know thast when dealing with persons that have had lost memory issues, injury/illness/dramatic events, that useing,reteaching a persons native language first is a way to restorying/recovering loss memories


 


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Report this Jun. 22 2012, 6:37 am

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>Her memory was completely wiped of all knowledge including language.  Not to completely rule out the ridiculously remote possibility that someone else on the ship would have known it and would have been able to teach it to her, but it would be completely ridiculous to start off teaching her a language that would be of absolutely no use to her ability to return to duty to the point that she could rant fluently in frustration over her ability to pick up the most basic words of a language necessary to do her job.

I see where your going.But I know thast when dealing with persons that have had lost memory issues, injury/illness/dramatic events, that useing,reteaching a persons native language first is a way to restorying/recovering loss memories

 


That may be the case with amnesia in which the memories still exist, but are inaccessible due to either physical, emotional and/or psychological issues to regain access to some of the memories through some sort of association, but Nomad zeroed out her hard drive.  There was nothing to access.  It could even be argued that she was very much not he same person anymore other than physically.

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Report this Jun. 24 2012, 1:14 am

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>Her memory was completely wiped of all knowledge including language.  Not to completely rule out the ridiculously remote possibility that someone else on the ship would have known it and would have been able to teach it to her, but it would be completely ridiculous to start off teaching her a language that would be of absolutely no use to her ability to return to duty to the point that she could rant fluently in frustration over her ability to pick up the most basic words of a language necessary to do her job.

I see where your going.But I know thast when dealing with persons that have had lost memory issues, injury/illness/dramatic events, that useing,reteaching a persons native language first is a way to restorying/recovering loss memories

 

That may be the case with amnesia in which the memories still exist, but are inaccessible due to either physical, emotional and/or psychological issues to regain access to some of the memories through some sort of association, but Nomad zeroed out her hard drive.  There was nothing to access.  It could even be argued that she was very much not he same person anymore other than physically.

I fanboy this thing away by saying she didn't actually lose her memories or there's no way in a week shes going to learn how to speak English , all the other lanuages she knows, get a college education, 5 years at the academy, all the songs she knows, all the things she learnt while on the Enterprise. Despite what they said in the episode I say Uhura did not have her memory wiped but her methods of accessing memories within her brain. The 'training' they were giving her was to make her relearn how to access the memories.

yeah, I always figured McCoy must have developed some treatment t help her regakin what she lost.


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Report this Jun. 24 2012, 1:58 am

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>When you talk about your brother to your work colleagues at workdo you refer to him interchangeably by his 3 names. Kirks mentioned Sam/George names twice in 3 seasons. Its just unlikely he uses many different names for him except perhaps if he had a Spanish name and speaking to a Spanish speaker. Not impossible but unlikely. As unlikely as his other 2 kids not being mentioned. Since the whole thing was a big deal.


Yes, I refer to my brother with what ever name suits me at the time.


Both mentions of Kirks brother were in season 1.And in both Kirk calls his brother by the same name, SAM, so you really dont have anything to argue over in this issue.


The first was in "what are little girls made of", and it was in a conversation between zKirk and the Android Kirk.Here is the exact line.


Kirk:What about memory?Tell me about Sam?


Android Kirk:George Samual Kirk,Your brother...only YOU call him Sam.


Kirk:He saw me off on this mission


Android Kirk:Yes, with his 3 sons and wife.


The next time Kirks brother was mentioned was in a conversation between McCoy and Kirk in "Operation: Annihilate!"Here is some of the relevent dialog


MCCOY: Jim, your brother Sam and his family, aren't they stationed on this planet?


MCCOY: Jim, did you know who that woman was?


KIRK: Yes. You were right a while back. My brother Sam lives on Deneva. He's a research biologist. That woman sounded like his wife Aurelan.


MCCOY: Is this your brother, Jim?


KIRK: Sam. It is my brother. Was my brother.


MCCOY: I'm sorry, Jim. The boy's unconscious, but he's still alive.


KIRK: Peter?


Again, as you can see, Kirk always used the name "SAM".


And I fail to see any "big deal" about the other 2 sons.The other 2 were mentioned once.If they werent on Deneva, there would be no need to mention them.


Of course there's a mistake, you've just provided an explanation for what happened. A possible one but an unlikely one. What evidence do you have that Sam is Kirk's brother middle name?


If theresa a mistake you have failed to point it out, as for what proof I have on "Sam" being the brothers middle name??I p;oint to the dialog I posted above and again below.


Kirk:What about memory?Tell me about Sam?


Android Kirk:George Samual Kirk,Your brother...only YOU call him Sam.


Or prehaps you should rewat the TOS episodes his name was mentioned in......its a good practice to do such things before getting into these types of debates.


If they were to do the initial episode again they would say Kirk had one brother Sam with one child. 


I see no reason why they would need to do that.


 


 




 


 


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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 10:33 am

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>Yes I agree I should watch TOS again. Now I've got my new blu-rays of TOS it will be a pleasure.

>Fair enough that I should know every line of dialog to even enter a debate with you but you're not prepared to concede on anything. We see 1 nephew in an episode when he's supposed to have 3 nephews you say its OK that they don't mention the other nephews. While its possible that they wouldn't its unlikely especially as his whole family was in danger of dying. Then people usually say at least your other nephews are safe/dead. I know its possible that McCoy wouldn't mention it but I consider it unlikely. The 'real' explanation is that they weren't keeping track of details like this when they were making the series. Its lucky that there weren't a lot more 'mistakes'


I'm not ready to concede anything because you have failed to make a logical argument for that issue...........no insult intended.


But you are assuming a few things.


1] that all 3 sons/nephews were livingg on the same planet


2]that all 3 were children


3]that all 3 were in danger


4]that McCoy knew Jim had 3 nephews


Its possible the other 2 kids had already died, its possible the other 2 were already adults living on other worlds, at the acadamy,serving on other ships.


 


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Report this Jun. 26 2012, 9:00 pm

The whole Spock's Brain episode was Star Trek TOS' worst mistake.


And I don't particularly like The Conscience of The King episode either


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Report this Jun. 27 2012, 3:20 am

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>The whole Spock's Brain episode was Star Trek TOS' worst mistake.

>And I don't particularly like The Conscience of The King episode either

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I'm sure I'll be corrected here but in 'Conscience of the King' Kirk was suppose to be 'stationed' on Tasus 20 years prior and it was established that Kirk was 34/35 at the time of the show making him 14/15 when he was stationed.


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Jim Kirk was 'stationed' on Tasus...............his family was.He was living there at the time, either his mother or father was stationed there.


 


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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 12:45 pm

Regarding Kirk's nephews... in "What Little Girls are Made Of" we learn that Kirk had 3 nephews. In "Operation: Annihilate" we meet Peter Kirk, who survives the parasite invasion.  Later on, in the trailer, McCoy remarks that the boy is the "last surviving member" of his family.  Based on that, we can conclude that the other two nephews had previously died before the events of that episode.


With that said... it probably was a mistake on the part of the producers/writers.  But a mistake that was easily explainable in-universe.


The "R" middle initial in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" has been admitted as a mistake by the producers several times... but even then, it was "explained away" by Gene as an inside joke (which the audience is unaware of) between Mitchell and Kirk.  A bad explanation, but a plausable one, nonetheless.


Regarding "Consicience of the King" (one of my favorite episodes), Kirk being "stationed" on Tarsus IV 20 years prior is easy... we know that his father, George Kirk, was Starfleet... Apparently Starfleet families in the 23rd century have a similar mindset to American military families in the 21st.  As a child, I was "stationed" at Keesler AFB because my dad worked there.  Now that I'm in the military, my wife often asks about when "we" are going to get orders.  I don't consider that a mistake--just a misunderstanding on the part of the viewer.


I'll have to re-watch "Spock's Brain" before I comment on Uhura's amnesia.


In my opinion, the biggest TOS mistake is probably... the S.S. Botany Bay was launched in the late 1990's.  But when Khan was revived, Kirk tells him that they've been asleep for "two centuries, we estimate"--about 70 years too few.


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 2:36 pm

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>Regarding Kirk's nephews... in "What Little Girls are Made Of" we learn that Kirk had 3 nephews. In "Operation: Annihilate" we meet Peter Kirk, who survives the parasite invasion.  Later on, in the trailer, McCoy remarks that the boy is the "last surviving member" of his family.  Based on that, we can conclude that the other two nephews had previously died before the events of that episode.


or that Bones was unawasre that there were more kids.or that he was only refering to the ones living on that world


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Report this Jul. 07 2012, 2:42 pm

Clearly in the episode where Spock and kirk are beamed into Nazi germany( I guessed it was Germany even though they spoke English) (( sorry forgotten the name of the episode)) you can see that Spock has green blood( plus McCoy is always going on about it) but in journey to babel, when Spock has a blood transfer with Sarek, you can see that there is red blood going through the tube!

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Report this Jul. 07 2012, 9:51 pm

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>Clearly in the episode where Spock and kirk are beamed into Nazi germany( I guessed it was Germany even though they spoke English) (( sorry forgotten the name of the episode)) you can see that Spock has green blood( plus McCoy is always going on about it) but in journey to babel, when Spock has a blood transfer with Sarek, you can see that there is red blood going through the tube!


 


Sorry but I think you might want to re-watch Journy to Bable.


It might not be very clear, and its not a light color, but its not red, looks more like dark green to me.


 


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Report this Jul. 08 2012, 11:54 am

Never mind, pretend I never commented

Still I'm watching that on an iPod screen on YouTube...

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Report this Jul. 09 2012, 10:05 am

I would say the worst mistakes they made were Spock's Brain and The Way To Eden. Space hippies? Really? And maybe it's not a mistake, but it's something I've never really gotten. In the episode The City On The Edge Of Forever, somehow Spock builds a circuit from one side of his tricorder around a room and back to the other side of the tricorder in order to retrieve information. A pnemonic memory circuit, I believe it was called. But, before doing that he made a comment about needing to tie into the ships computers to retrieve the information. It's my understanding that the tricorder transmitted the information back to the Enterprise and, in order to see it on his screen, he needed to be able to tie back in to the ships computers. How did building that enormous circuit around the room help him to retrieve the information?


Ahh, Kirk, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb which tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It's very cold....in space.

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Report this Jul. 09 2012, 10:31 am

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>And maybe it's not a mistake, but it's something I've never really gotten. In the episode The City On The Edge Of Forever, somehow Spock builds a circuit from one side of his tricorder around a room and back to the other side of the tricorder in order to retrieve information. A pnemonic memory circuit, I believe it was called. But, before doing that he made a comment about needing to tie into the ships computers to retrieve the information. It's my understanding that the tricorder transmitted the information back to the Enterprise and, in order to see it on his screen, he needed to be able to tie back in to the ships computers. How did building that enormous circuit around the room help him to retrieve the information?


Your forgetting one of the key fuctions of the tricorder........to RECORD data/information.


Which Spock started doing just before McCoy jumped trew the time portal.


Spock built that circuit so he could play back the recored info on the tricorder.


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