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Treknoir

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Report this Jul. 15 2012, 5:24 pm

Quote: wissa @ Jul. 15 2012, 9:15 am

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>I think there is some basis for it in tos.  Uhura definitly is flirtatious with Spock in a couple episodes. 

>But I think the purpose of the relationship is to show how emotionally compromised Spock is.  He would never have entered a relationship with a jr officer like that if he wasn't grief stricken.

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Yes and no. The emotion and public display of affection were to show how compromised he was under the circumstances, not that they weren't seeing each other prior to the movie's events. Based on what took place in ST09 (Uhura confronts Spock about her assignment and gets her way, the turbolift scene, the kissy face before Spock and Kirk transport over to the Narada, Spock almost telling Kirk to tell Uhura he loves her if he dies on the Jellyfish), their relationship clearly preceded the destruction of Vulcan and his mother's death. The whole jr. officer shagging is questionable, but I fail to see why folks think it is out of Spock's character. We clearly see in canon that Spock's control strengthened as he matured (early TOS vs late TOS and movies).


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Report this Jul. 15 2012, 6:47 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Jul. 15 2012, 5:24 pm

Quote: wissa @ Jul. 15 2012, 9:15 am

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>I think there is some basis for it in tos.  Uhura definitly is flirtatious with Spock in a couple episodes. 

>But I think the purpose of the relationship is to show how emotionally compromised Spock is.  He would never have entered a relationship with a jr officer like that if he wasn't grief stricken.

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Yes and no. The emotion and public display of affection were to show how compromised he was under the circumstances, not that they weren't seeing each other prior to the movie's events. Based on what took place in ST09 (Uhura confronts Spock about her assignment and gets her way, the turbolift scene, the kissy face before Spock and Kirk transport over to the Narada, Spock almost telling Kirk to tell Uhura he loves her if he dies on the Jellyfish), their relationship clearly preceded the destruction of Vulcan and his mother's death. The whole jr. officer shagging is questionable, but I fail to see why folks think it is out of Spock's character. We clearly see in canon that Spock's control strengthened as he matured (early TOS vs late TOS and movies).


sorry, I don't see any of that as proof that they were already in a relationship


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Report this Jul. 16 2012, 1:50 pm

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sorry, I don't see any of that as proof that they were already in a relationship


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I'm not surprised, a lot of folks who had issues with the pairing don't. Strange, considering that kissing a commanding officer on duty, twice, would almost assuredly land a jr. officer/peer/superior in some kind of trouble regardless of the dire circumstances surrounding the crew/commanding officer. Then there's the message Spock wanted Kirk to deliver to Uhura should he die.


I don't know, maybe that's how they roll in the 23rd century. You almost die/experience genocide/lose your kin, a cute jr. officer gives you play, and bam you're in love.


But then again, Spock Prime and Nero survived falling into a black hole and the Romulans sat on their hands rather than evacuate their homeworld prior to a supernova. So anything is possible.



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Report this Jul. 16 2012, 2:31 pm

In what alternate universe is that not clearly evidence of a prior relationship? It is clearly established in all of Star Trek that Vulcans, being touch-telepaths, are uncomfortable having contact with another being. There's no way Spock would have allowed Uhura to rub all over him like that just out of nowhere in a turbolift or standing on the transporter pad if there wasn't some history there. And, being a Vulcan, his emotions are supposed to be buried, and it would take a lot more than a little neck rubbing and smooching to make him fall for a woman. And, also, the "No, I'm assigned to the Enterprise" bit is clearly Spock trying to keep his woman happy.


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Report this Jul. 16 2012, 3:15 pm

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 16 2012, 2:31 pm

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>In what alternate universe is that not clearly evidence of a prior relationship? It is clearly established in all of Star Trek that Vulcans, being touch-telepaths, are uncomfortable having contact with another being. There's no way Spock would have allowed Uhura to rub all over him like that just out of nowhere in a turbolift or standing on the transporter pad if there wasn't some history there. And, being a Vulcan, his emotions are supposed to be buried, and it would take a lot more than a little neck rubbing and smooching to make him fall for a woman. And, also, the "No, I'm assigned to the Enterprise" bit is clearly Spock trying to keep his woman happy.

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BOOM!


I think some folks are just uncomfortable with the pairing and/or don't believe it would have happened "normally". Well this is a reboot alternate universe. They are both young and clearly immature. This took place BEFORE the prime timeline we all know from TOS and the movies. In other words, so what they hooked up?


Anyway, it's not like they are about to run away into married bliss and leave the ship with Uhura being barefoot and pregnant on NuVulcan with a Vulcan harp playing Spock playing love songs during the birth of their six kids. Ha!



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Report this Jul. 16 2012, 3:25 pm

Quote: Treknoir @ Jul. 16 2012, 3:15 pm

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 16 2012, 2:31 pm

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>In what alternate universe is that not clearly evidence of a prior relationship? It is clearly established in all of Star Trek that Vulcans, being touch-telepaths, are uncomfortable having contact with another being. There's no way Spock would have allowed Uhura to rub all over him like that just out of nowhere in a turbolift or standing on the transporter pad if there wasn't some history there. And, being a Vulcan, his emotions are supposed to be buried, and it would take a lot more than a little neck rubbing and smooching to make him fall for a woman. And, also, the "No, I'm assigned to the Enterprise" bit is clearly Spock trying to keep his woman happy.

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BOOM!

I think some folks are just uncomfortable with the pairing and/or don't believe it would have happened "normally". Well this is a reboot alternate universe. They are both young and clearly immature. This took place BEFORE the prime timeline we all know from TOS and the movies. In other words, so what they hooked up?

Anyway, it's not like they are about to run away into married bliss and leave the ship with Uhura being barefoot and pregnant on NuVulcan with a Vulcan harp playing Spock playing love songs during the birth of their six kids. Ha!


I'll admit that I'm one of those that didn't like it. I understand what you're saying about all this being set before the Trek we know and love, and it by no means ruined my enjoyment of the movie, but I didn't see where it was necessary to the story to make such a major change from the established Trek just for a new movie. I guess maybe they thought since Kirk got all the chicks before, they needed to try and pass a little off to Spock or something. lol


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Report this Jul. 16 2012, 4:20 pm

btw, being involved with your student is way more innapropriate than being involved with a senior officer. 


 


I don't care that they were involved.  I think it's not even out of step with tos.  I just don't see the evidence that they were involved before.  I think they were attracted to each other.  That she was his favourite student and that was why he didn't want to assign her to the enterprise.  It might look like he was playing favourites.  But when she pointed out that she earned it he had to agree to her logic. 


 


and no one has any idea what spock was going to say to kirk when he thought he was going to die.  So it's not proof of anything.


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Report this Jul. 17 2012, 9:02 am

ok on the point of the series dying out after nemisis's failure, whats so bad about it? admittedly the camera work is a little iffy but i just dont see why it was such a big flop. i like it


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Report this Jul. 17 2012, 9:12 am

Quote: radical-sensation @ Jul. 17 2012, 9:02 am

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>ok on the point of the series dying out after nemisis's failure, whats so bad about it? admittedly the camera work is a little iffy but i just dont see why it was such a big flop. i like it

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I agree, it's nowhere near as bad as some people say. But it's widely considered to be the worst Star Trek movie, so technically it is a failure.


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Report this Jul. 17 2012, 9:13 am

Quote: radical-sensation @ Jul. 17 2012, 9:02 am

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>ok on the point of the series dying out after nemisis's failure, whats so bad about it? admittedly the camera work is a little iffy but i just dont see why it was such a big flop. i like it

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flop?  the movie was a success


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Report this Jul. 17 2012, 9:30 am

Not knowing what Spock wsa going to tell Kirk? Really? Really? Spock thought he was going to DIE. His father had finally admitted he loved his mother. He told Kirk the plan had a small chance of succeeding. And he wanted a message given to whom? Not his father, but Uhura. The same Uhura he kissed and called by her personal name on the transporter pad. The guy just lost his mother, his home, and most of his father's race. And he wanted Kirk to deliver a message to Uhura should he die. Yeah, that kiss in the turbolift and their unspoken crush on each other really came to full fruition on the Jellyfish.


LOL


Seriously, I need to stop posting in ST09 threads for a while. Some folks liked it, some didn't. I hope the next movie will be good. My hope is that  good performing movies will lead to another series. That's my bottom line.


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Report this Jul. 17 2012, 3:55 pm

Specifcally,The New Starship Designs.

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Report this Jul. 17 2012, 4:02 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Jul. 17 2012, 3:55 pm

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>Specifcally,The New Starship Designs.

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You liked them or didn't like them?


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Report this Jul. 18 2012, 9:13 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Jul. 17 2012, 9:12 am

Quote: radical-sensation @ Jul. 17 2012, 9:02 am

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>ok on the point of the series dying out after nemisis's failure, whats so bad about it? admittedly the camera work is a little iffy but i just dont see why it was such a big flop. i like it

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I agree, it's nowhere near as bad as some people say. But it's widely considered to be the worst Star Trek movie, so technically it is a failure.


Nemesis?


 

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Report this Jul. 20 2012, 10:47 am


That...was...HILARIOUS!!!


Still, almost any movie would fall apart under close scrutiny.


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