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RStar17

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 7:50 am

It would have been, if the writers covered an obvious alternitive. Really each script should be proofread by a ten year old. Any flaws in the logic or decisions made that he points out should be corrected.


But I suppose no matter how many times I make this point, there's no competing with the fandom logic of Janeway's cult.  


Kirk never murdered one of her own crew or tortured people for information like Janeway did. So I'm not really sure why people think she doesn't get her feet wet when walking across a river.


Voyager2374

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 3:42 pm

When u are stranded 75 thousand light years from home you will do anything now she onLy crossed the prime directive a few times but ehat captain hasnt. She had her crew the maquis and even a new race to think about.


There was nothing wrong with her decisions or the writers every one who had a hand in writing directing and producing made it one of the best out of all the star trek shows.


And captain janeway never murdered anyone she did all she could for her crew she got them home and they were and excelent crew.and there was no other direction for the show to go


It would of turned in to a tv movie because the show relied on them getting stranded and thats what made it great because it was different from all the others im a true janeway fan because i understand the concept of voyager


 


VOYAGER AND JANEWAY ROCKS


KIRK DOES NOT



Captain Amy Of the U.S.S. Star Trek

RStar17

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 5:06 pm

When you're stranded you'll do anything to get home? That's exactly the arguement Captain Ransom made in Equinox. Janeway went on a holier than thou crusade there for no reason whatsoever. She even nearly killed one of Ransom's crewmen just to get information out of him.


As for nothing wrong with the writers and decisions... I've offered analysis again and again in my previous posts about the Caretaker decision. If you can't see the fundamental flaw in that, then obviously your fandom is blinding your reason. I'll let you decide.


As for not killing anyone? You obviously didn't watch the episode Tuvix. She killed him, against his will, against his repeated protests, to save Tuvok and Neelix. That's the moral equivilent of phasering someone to harvest their organs to save two others. Which wait... Janeway even condoned that in Phage being she let the Viidians have Neelix's lungs with nothing more than a stern lecture.


Again, I'll refer you to my previous posts about the TV movie aspect. Yes you can strand them without leaving an out so obvious that a ten year old can spot it. My younger cousin when watching that episode for the first time asked "why didn't they just put a timer on the bombs?" A few extra lines in the script mentioning Kazon reinforcements or even having the Kazon board the array before them would have let Janeway blow the array in a meaningful sacrifice instead of just a bad decision with an obvious out as it was presented.


But yes... I am taking the time to argue against the logic of all caps "Voyager and Janeway rocks(not rock) Kirk does not"


So maybe I'm the foolish one.


Voyager2374

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 5:29 pm

Tuvix would of never excisted if it wasnt for neelix and tuvok and she had every write to do what she could to get her two crew men back tey were more valuable then just tuvix


And i dont think that tuvoks would of liked her husband that way when they got homr


Dhe was saving two lives and tuvix had no right to tuvoks ad neelixs lifes aboard voyage


And i agree u are foolish to think that janeway is anything but great and for you young cousin and his question the answer is janeway could not take that chance 


She had keep her and the crew in mind and even though she regreted she saved the population of the ocampa homeworld from the inmature voltile that is the kazon


 


Ive watched all the shows but i watched voyager season 1 to 7 dozens of times and she was couragous about that decision and if they wernt stranded in the DQ then they would of never found seven tom and b'elanna would of never gotten together.


 


So as for that timer it would of never worked because there was to many variables that she could not stop unless she destroyed it and wasabsolutly sure that it was all gone.


 Voyager is a great show and so is Janeway


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RStar17

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 5:42 pm

Point- Tuvix existed. How doesn't matter. She killed him against his will. No getting around that. You can argue Tuvix is morally lacking for not sacrificing his life for the two, but that's not the point. Janeway killed him.


Point- Tuvix interacting with Tuvok's wife? Irrelevant to the conversation. Tuvok for all intents and purposes was pretty much dead. I doubt she'd want anything to do with the merger of the two.


Point- Yes she was saving two lives. The end doesn't justify the means. It's immoral to kill someone to save others.


Point- "i agree u are foolish" Well anyone with a differing opinion, no matter how many facts support it, is foolish according to this pearl of wisdom.


Point- We've had timers for over a hundred years. They're reliable. I imagine they might even be BETTER 300 years from now.


I'm glad you like Voyager. Heck I did too. That doesn't mean I'm not going to be critical of bad writing when I see it. You're a Janeway fan and that's great. But she was a flawed character in many cases.


Voyager2374

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 8:31 pm

The writers four voyager were way better then any of the other star trek shows


They id great with all of the characters including Janeway


And accusing her of being a murderer is wrong tuvix was never supposed to be and she was bringing her crew home.


She is an amazing captain and your foolish and stupid for accusing her of that


She is my hero yes i know she is fake but for a woman to hve the courge to a mans job she has my vote.


She is not flawed not in any way she was thrown into unexplored space and forced to survive to get her crew home you will do anything


Plus she wasnt court marshelled when got back for the choices she made because they knew she did everything she could to get her crew home


Several times she decided to almost sacrificed herself so they xpcould continue


No other captain could ome close to her


And the writers if they sucked at it they wouldof never gotten the job and the show would of been canceled.


And i am a fan of writing and if i wasnt going to be a nurse/ doctor i would be a writer ands all because of voyager


If u want to talk about bad writing lets talk about the first three seasons of DS9 and the last one


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RStar17

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 9:55 pm

Well, I'm done. There are such things as varying opinions, I'll grant that. I should say the evidence favors my arguement, however. I certainly didn't see you offer anything beyond supposition and opinion to counter my arguements.


Keep working on that writing though, your spelling and grammar could use the practice.


Voyager2374

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 10:17 pm

Well it has been fun to debate this with you and thanks for the tip about my writing 


 I dont get to debate star trek very often thanks


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Report this Jun. 15 2012, 1:53 am

I haven't actually seen the episode but I can practically recite the episodes plot by heart and I reckon that if you really like Voyager you really shouldn't be debating something like this, but that's just what I think.


But I reckon it was still pretty cool what she did, even if you don't agree with me. She stranded her crew on the other side of the galaxy to save a race of people that would've otherwise been annihalted, even if she could've given her crew a chance to get home.


And one thing everyone seems to have forgotten: both Voyager and the Liberty were badly damaged after their first trip courtesy of the array, so a second trip cold very well have destroyed and killed them all.


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Voyager2374

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Report this Jun. 15 2012, 10:22 am

Jane way did every thing forhercrew your right about the return trip andif she had done that besides being space debri the ocampa would be no more shejust took the place of the caretaker if i was here i would do the same thing and i havent forgotten any thing about this show and the one thing i know an understand is the logic behind janeways decision any other captain would have done the same thing


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