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Why Doesn't Starfleet Use What It Learns/Discovers To Help The Federation?

unorthodox

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Report this May. 23 2012, 12:55 pm

I've never been a huge Star Trek fan.  I've seen the movies before and bits and pieces of TNG, but Just Recently (within the last few months) have started to watch all the TV series/Movies, to the best of my knowledge in chronilogical order...with the exception of the "prequel" series enterprise Which I'm saving for last. 


Anyways.... I just got started on DS9 season 3.  Ever since TOS, and now with the first 2 episodes of DS9 S3, I've noticed how, the federation (starship, person, whatever) will Discover/capture/Learn something EXTREMELY usefull, then in some future episode (sometimes in same series, sometimes not) it would be of invaluble use, yet they don't use it, or even give any explanation why they use something inferior or forgoe the option all together.


Example 1, in the first 2 episodes of DS9 S3, DS9 gets the defiant, which BTW... has a romulan cloaking device.  So they go to their rivals, the romulans, to borrow a cloacking device from them.  Why wouldn't they just use the far superior cloacking/phasing Device that the federation designed?  It was shown in one of the later season episodes of TNG, that allowed the Enterprise to not only cloack but pass through solid matter.  In that case the defiant never would've even been harmed by the jem'hadar ships. 


Example 2, Speaking of romulan cloaking devices, what was the purpose of kirk/spock taking such a huge risk to steal a romulan cloacking device if they're not going to use it?


Example 3, also from TOS.  The episode (I think) where they go to a colony that has some plant that shoots people with its thorns/venom, that makes them happy and not wanna leave... it also makes them PERFECTLY healthy, cures all diseases... as it did for Dr. Mccoy (if memory serves)  Why not "use that planet" as a way to cure otherwise uncurable diseases?  All they had to do to snap the person out of the "happy trance" was expose them to viloent thoughts and they'd be back to normal except for fully healthy.


I know there are several other examples I'm not thinking of right now, just curious.  Let me know what you think or list any other examples. 


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Mitchz95

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Report this May. 23 2012, 8:29 pm

For example 1: they didn't want to aggravate the Romulans by using a cloak that wasn't allowed in the Treaty of Algeron.


For example 2: they wanted the cloak to study the technology, not put it on their ships. Until the Dominion Cold War, Starfleet didn't believe in sneaking around.


For example 3: good question.


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this May. 23 2012, 10:36 pm

Quote: unorthodox @ May. 23 2012, 12:55 pm

>Example 1, in the first 2 episodes of DS9 S3, DS9 gets the defiant, which BTW... has a romulan cloaking device.  So they go to their rivals, the romulans, to borrow a cloacking device from them.  Why wouldn't they just use the far superior cloacking/phasing Device that the federation designed?  It was shown in one of the later season episodes of TNG, that allowed the Enterprise to not only cloack but pass through solid matter.  In that case the defiant never would've even been harmed by the jem'hadar ships.


A] It was ilegal for the Fedaration to dervrelope and use cloaking tech on ships.


B] that, as you called it,"superior cloacking/phasing Device" was experamental.Hows to say if it would consisteasnly work very well in the feild.


Example 2, Speaking of romulan cloaking devices, what was the purpose of kirk/spock taking such a huge risk to steal a romulan cloacking device if they're not going to use it?


Its stated in the episode, to learn ways to detect/defend agaisnt it


Example 3, also from TOS.  The episode (I think) where they go to a colony that has some plant that shoots people with its thorns/venom, that makes them happy and not wanna leave... it also makes them PERFECTLY healthy, cures all diseases... as it did for Dr. Mccoy (if memory serves)  Why not "use that planet" as a way to cure otherwise uncurable diseases?  All they had to do to snap the person out of the "happy trance" was expose them to viloent thoughts and they'd be back to normal except for fully healthy.


Your making the assumption that the plants could cure every illness.


 


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miklamar

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Report this May. 24 2012, 1:02 pm

I think they tried to use some of the discoveries made, but they always needed to be sure they would work consistently.


And, some of the discoveries either didn't work properly or had bad side-effects, so they couldn't be applied.


Maybe some will be used later.  But, it would be fun to see someone discover or develop something, then see it be applied successfully and beneficially.


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RStar17

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Report this May. 24 2012, 1:19 pm

Just got a little over his head at the end? That's like saying Hitler was a great leader but got a little over his head on that Jew question and his foreign policy was slightly too aggressive.


But yeah, the Treaty of Algeron which the Federation signed to keep the peace with the Romulans forbade the Federation from devoloping cloaking technology. Not to mention their one attempt with that phase cloak sorta ended in a disaster.


The Warp 10 bit.... turned Paris into a salamander thing. Typically that's bad.


The Quantium slipstream was so unstable it nearly destroyed Voyager. That's also bad. Though if I recall in the novels they finally start using it 10 or so years later. The Aventine had a QSS.


As for the stuff in Daniels quarters. Archer promised not to use it. Even Archer figured out fiddling around with time travel stuff isn't a good idea.


 


CloudMinder2

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Report this May. 24 2012, 2:01 pm

I can think of one example where they DID use knowledge gained, namely in the TOS show Assignment: Earth where the ship uses the time travel ability discovered in another episode (offhand I forget which)

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