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Who do you think will win Obama or Romney?

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Report this May. 22 2012, 9:29 pm

Since Obama and Romney are the only two politicians left to run the election I would like to ask who do you think will win this year's election and explain why.


If Obama does not show his birth certificate then that means Mitt Romney will automatically win the election.


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Report this May. 22 2012, 11:08 pm

didn't obama already show his birth certificate?  long and short?



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Report this May. 23 2012, 12:09 am

Neither, preferably.

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Report this May. 23 2012, 4:45 am

For purpose of building morale, I vote for Obama. Romeny is nothing but a spear carrier for the one percent unable to learn form recent history. His foreign policy thrust would, as stated, would reignite the Cold War wiith Russia and most likely bring about further unneeded wars of aggression far beyond anything Obama has managed to do.


Obama is no saint, hence his hugely amassed war chest. Hopefully though, the American public will come to understand that he is a far superio choice than Romney.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 5:50 am

Honestly if I were to hazard a guess? Probably Obama.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 7:35 am

Let's see.... A marxist or a socialist.....

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Report this May. 23 2012, 8:06 am

No matter who wins, America loses. It's like a choice between a punch in the throat and a kick to the balls.  One could kill you and the other makes you wish you were dead. 



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Report this May. 23 2012, 8:18 am

The OP's opening statement is WRONG. Obama and Romney are not the only ones left in the race. Ron Paul, who is yet again the victim of media spin coverage and citizens failing to do proper research for themselves, is still running -- in fact, he just performed a delegate sweep of Minnesota over the weekend. Ron Paul is using his money wisely towards Caucus States where the money will assuredly get him delegates as opposed to primary states where it's winner take all. The media has distorted the issue... claiming that because Paul isn't campaigning in primary states, that he's dropped out.


It's very important to understand how the delegate process works. Ron Paul will have the support of five states or more and thus will be on the ballet in Tampa. Many of Romney's delegates are Ron Paul supporters, and are essentially stealth delegates. It has been advertized on the media that even though many delegates are Ron Paul supporters, they must vote for Romney on the first round. However, the delegates can also choose to obstain from voting in the first round, thereby freeing them to vote for Paul in the second round. On a similar note, the Republican Party is a private organization and therefore does not adhere to state laws which would require delegates to vote for Romney on the first ballet. These delegates could ignore their state laws although there would be risk of consequences from the state, but not the Republican Convention. It is also possible that the Ron Paul supporters can unite to change the rules in favor of Paul before the voting process occurs. All around, it is still possible for Ron Paul to become the Republican Nominee.


Given everything I've written above, I'm still voting for Ron Paul. And even if he doesn't get the nomination, I'm voting for Ron Paul. Principle, not politics. Also, Gary Johnson is running for President for the Libertarian Party.

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Report this May. 23 2012, 9:28 am

Quote: lostshaker @ May. 23 2012, 8:18 am

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>The OP's opening statement is WRONG. Obama and Romney are not the only ones left in the race. Ron Paul, who is yet again the victim of media spin coverage and citizens failing to do proper research for themselves, is still running -- in fact, he just performed a delegate sweep of Minnesota over the weekend. Ron Paul is using his money wisely towards Caucus States where the money will assuredly get him delegates as opposed to primary states where it's winner take all. The media has distorted the issue... claiming that because Paul isn't campaigning in primary states, that he's dropped out.

>It's very important to understand how the delegate process works. Ron Paul will have the support of five states or more and thus will be on the ballet in Tampa. Many of Romney's delegates are Ron Paul supporters, and are essentially stealth delegates. It has been advertized on the media that even though many delegates are Ron Paul supporters, they must vote for Romney on the first round. However, the delegates can also choose to obstain from voting in the first round, thereby freeing them to vote for Paul in the second round. On a similar note, the Republican Party is a private organization and therefore does not adhere to state laws which would require delegates to vote for Romney on the first ballet. These delegates could ignore their state laws although there would be risk of consequences from the state, but not the Republican Convention. It is also possible that the Ron Paul supporters can unite to change the rules in favor of Paul before the voting process occurs. All around, it is still possible for Ron Paul to become the Republican Nominee.

>Given everything I've written above, I'm still voting for Ron Paul. And even if he doesn't get the nomination, I'm voting for Ron Paul. Principle, not politics. Also, Gary Johnson is running for President for the Libertarian Party.

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Vote your principles. But any vote not for Romney is a vote FOR BHO. Simple math. Don't misunderstand me. Romney is the least repulsive candidate out there, but he's a shade better than BHO. Let's see how many folks distort that comment into racism.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 2:42 pm

Quote: Corwin8 @ May. 23 2012, 9:28 am

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>But any vote not for Romney is a vote FOR BHO.

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False. A vote for anyone is a waste of time. That's the problem with Presidential elections in America; it's not the people who elect the President, it's the Electoral College. And the EC does not have to listen to what the people want.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 2:49 pm

I really dont care i dont vote but it would be nice to see Romny get in


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Report this May. 23 2012, 2:54 pm

Quote: Invader_Wishfire @ May. 23 2012, 2:42 pm

Quote: Corwin8 @ May. 23 2012, 9:28 am

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>But any vote not for Romney is a vote FOR BHO.

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False. A vote for anyone is a waste of time. That's the problem with Presidential elections in America; it's not the people who elect the President, it's the Electoral College. And the EC does not have to listen to what the people want.


Then why do we even bother having Elections if the vote of the people don't count? Wouldn't it make our democratic system a hypocracy?


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Report this May. 23 2012, 2:59 pm

Quote: xXLadyDataXx @ May. 23 2012, 2:54 pm

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Quote: Corwin8 @ May. 23 2012, 9:28 am

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>But any vote not for Romney is a vote FOR BHO.

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False. A vote for anyone is a waste of time. That's the problem with Presidential elections in America; it's not the people who elect the President, it's the Electoral College. And the EC does not have to listen to what the people want.

Then why do we even bother having Elections if the vote of the people don't count? Wouldn't it make our democratic system a hypocracy?


It does make our system false. At least in terms of Presidential elections.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 3:02 pm

But any vote not for Romney is a vote FOR BHO. Simple math. Don't misunderstand me. Romney is the least repulsive candidate out there, but he's a shade better than BHO.



This position is ignorant on so many levels. First, Romney isn't the GOP nominee. The Republican National Committee has violated their own rules by communicating with the Romney campaign and declaring him the "presumptive nominee" while Paul is still in the race. This opens the party up for litigation. This hasn't happened yet, because many are trying to settle it diplomatically by removing a RNC chairman. 


A shade better the BHO means nothing. Their differences are only superficial, as their campaigns are both funded by the same corporate entities and are therefore accountable to those same entities - this is called the Quigley Effect - a special interest funds two different candidates, seemingly opposed to the other and offering the public the appearance of choice, but either candidate works for the same special interest. And when you vote for the lesser of two evils, you still get evil. It's because so little difference exists between them both that Romney will not receive the backing of Ron Paul supporters. We simply aren't willing to back the Republican Party just to unelect Obama. I don't vote according to Party, I have simply aligned myself with the Republican Party temporarily on the basis of supporting Paul. If the Republican Party choses Romney, then it's back to independent.


Finally, your argument speaks to the fallacy of false dilemma, which assumes only two choices. However, the false dilemma fallacy ignores the fact that this country, according to the Constitution, is suppose to be a Republic with representation being key. Even democracy is suppose to be based on representation. So to give into the false dilemma means to abandon the concept of self-management and representation in favor of authoritarianism.

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Report this May. 23 2012, 3:10 pm

But any vote not for Romney is a vote FOR BHO.


False. A vote for anyone is a waste of time. That's the problem with Presidential elections in America; it's not the people who elect the President, it's the Electoral College. And the EC does not have to listen to what the people want.


Then why do we even bother having Elections if the vote of the people don't count? Wouldn't it make our democratic system a hypocracy?



We have the EC because this country is Constitutionally based on a Republic, not democracy. Democracy works by the whim of the masses that can be easily swayed and mislead. Democracy was only intended to work at the local level. Read the Constitution - the president isn't to be elected directly by the people, but indirectly through State Legislatures, who are directly elected by the people. This is because the President was only to be an executive, implementing Constitutional laws passed by Congress. The founders never intended the president to have accumulated such massive power that the country needed to elect him directly. But because we've had bad presidents who've acted unconstitutionally over the country's life time... and because we have a populace that doesn't read and understand the country's Constitution and history surrounding the country's birth... it follows that people don't understand why we have the Electoral College. 

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