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Jun. 12 2012, 9:14 am
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Jun. 15 2012, 7:56 pm
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>Isn't the point of the reboot to avoid all those canon problems.
>As if that could happen.
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Yeah, but what does that have to do with Generations?
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Jun. 16 2012, 7:03 am
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>They could have just put a camera on the visor. Heck we have camera small enough for that today. Really I thought that was one of the few clever things about Generations.
>The whole concept of the nexus is just fishy to me. Why did Soran have to blow up stars to move it to hit a planet with him on it? Yeah, yeah, ships that fly into it get damaged... except he got into it from a ship. Kirk did too. So did Guinan. And why's being on a planet and getting scooped up by it any safer than just getting dumped into it's path in a spacesuit?
>Oh and the biggest fail in this movie goes to Picard. Supposedly you can leave the nexus and return to any time or place you want. So instead of bothering to get Kirk(and get him killed) he could have just said. "I want to return to the Enterprise while Soran is still on my ship and I can have a security team throw him in the brig." Then you save the planet, station and your ship. Not to mention you don't get Kirk killed.
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Excellent point, but the powers that be wanted Kirk killed.
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Jun. 17 2012, 4:49 pm
What I wanna know is that at the begining of the movie with the champagne bottle floating thru space, who could've thrown that thing hard enough in zero gravity to cause it to break against the hull of the ship? Was Superman in the crowd, and we didn't know? Also, in regards to Picard and Kirk leaving the Nexus and not going back far enough in time to prevent the whole thing from happening, here's a timeline theory on that: as stated earlier, perhaps Picard didn't want to risk altering the timeline, and to furhter expand on that, perhaps since the incident with Soran destroying the star on Viridian 3 just happened, Picard thought it was safer to go back just far enough to HIS last known memory. Remember, he didn't know at that point that either that the Enterprise had been destroyed.
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Jun. 17 2012, 4:58 pm
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>What I wanna know is that at the begining of the movie with the champagne bottle floating thru space, who could've thrown that thing hard enough in zero gravity to cause it to break against the hull of the ship? Was Superman in the crowd, and we didn't know?
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why do you think it had to be a person that thru the bottle?
really, think about the possibilities
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Jun. 17 2012, 5:15 pm
Good point. Something could have launched it. It's just that by it going end over end suggests that it was thrown. Also, unless it was just supposed to be slow motion, the effect was of zero gravity, and the bottle didn't look as if it was traveling with enough speed to break when it impacted the hull, unless the glass was really thin. Which would present a pressure problem, if I'm correct. I could be wrong, but when the bottle was exposed to zero gravity and no exterior pressure, wouldn't it break instantly upon exposure to null pressure of space, and the contents freeze because of the cold? I think what they should have done was to have an airlock extended and attached to the side of the hull where the christening ceremony could've taken place.
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guide_X GROUP: Members POSTS: 34 |
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Jul. 06 2012, 9:11 am
I too have always been puzzled by this. How did they leave the nexus? By riding into the cgi light with their horses? Is this really the 'way out'?
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Jul. 06 2012, 9:14 am
Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 04 2012, 5:38 pm | Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 23 2012, 8:24 am | Quote: RStar17 @ May. 22 2012, 6:33 am | >Picard could have returned to a time before his Nephew was burned to death in the fire and save them
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>Oh and the biggest fail in this movie goes to Picard. Supposedly you can leave the nexus and return to any time or place you want. So instead of bothering to get Kirk(and get him killed) he could have just said. "I want to return to the Enterprise while Soran is still on my ship and I can have a security team throw him in the brig." Then you save the planet, station and your ship. Not to mention you don't get Kirk killed.
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My best guess is that he wanted to minimize the changes to the timeline. But you're right, it is kind of weird.
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But that's what he's doing by leaving. Changing the timeline. There's no getting around that. So, in one hand I have Kirk dead, a lot of my crew dead, and my ship destroyed. In the other I have Kirk alive in heaven, my ship and crew are fine and the bad guy is in custody before he can destroy a star system. Hard choice.
Really the only negative about returning to Amargossa and having Worf arrest Soran(the evidence against him is on the observatory so proof isn't an issue), is that Lursa and B'etor would still be loose. Not like they were effective villains anyways.
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stovokor2000-A GROUP: Members POSTS: 1793 |
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Jul. 06 2012, 9:44 am
Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 04 2012, 5:38 pm | >
>But that's what he's doing by leaving. Changing the timeline. There's no getting around that. So, in one hand I have Kirk dead, a lot of my crew dead, and my ship destroyed. In the other I have Kirk alive in heaven, my ship and crew are fine and the bad guy is in custody before he can destroy a star system. Hard choice.
>Really the only negative about returning to Amargossa and having Worf arrest Soran(the evidence against him is on the observatory so proof isn't an issue), is that Lursa and B'etor would still be loose. Not like they were effective villains anyways.
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but again , the idea was to "minimize" the changes to the timeline not compleyely avoid them.
For example, if I go back in time, 5 minutes to prevent an accedent then I'm altering a small window within the timeline.
Now, if I were to go back 5 hours to prevent the same event, theres a greater window for other possible changes.
If Picard did as you suggested, and gone back to Asmagosa, then the Bozmen would not have had to make a corse correction...........but what if that change in their corse lead to some new discovery?
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Jul. 22 2012, 12:42 am
Quote: OneDamnMinuteAdmiral @ May. 21 2012, 9:37 pm | >
>You forgot the biggest mistake of all. This movies assumes Kirk is mortal and can be killed, not so!
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Aug. 02 2012, 3:55 am
Kirk said that he will be killed lonley in '' THE FINAL FRONTIER'' and he was with Picard. |
