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Seeing TNG for the First Time

GoldPressedBaylatinum

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Report this Jun. 06 2012, 8:18 pm

The Big Goodbye: Good

Captain Picard and some of the Enterprise crew get stuck on the holodeck on their way to an important diplomatic mission.

First of all, I would like to apologize for not being very active these last few days in writing reviews. I didn’t form much of an opinion with this episode. I feel that it is cliche for something to go bad in a holosuite, therefore it was very easy to see coming. I always find episodes (normally in a holosuite) based on human history intriguing, and entertaining, that is why one of my favorite DS9 episodes was “Badda- Bing Badda-Bang”.

All around, I would have to say that this episode was probably the first to make me laugh outside of my head. Some memorable quotes came out of this, Mr.Leech: “I don’t want to hear anymore of this, they’re making me crazy! Let me shoot them Mr.Redblock.”. Data: “I was created on a planet..” Picard: “Data” Data: “South America”. Moments like these made this episode a classic even though it wasn’t one of the deeper and more “trekkie” episodes.

@RStar17: Yes, that episode was both irritating and funny at the same time.

@enhancesys: I agree, like I said romance can be good or bad for a episode. I was a good story, but also as you mentioned quite over-the-top.

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Baylatinum


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s02229

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Report this Jun. 07 2012, 2:13 am

I also like the big goodbye, I think this is the first time they use the holodeck to go back in time (or in a novel), it's just so hilarious, I like it when Data said he is from southern America and his conversation with Dr Crusher when doctor crusher was finding the captain (hiya Doc. What's cookin'?"
"Y'know, I had some trouble getting through. Where's Captain Picard?"
"He's on ice."
"Pardon?"
"He's being grilled."
"What is he, a fish?")


this is not a professional view on the epsiode, I just simply enjoy the episode andI want to tell you about it

enhancesys

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Report this Jun. 07 2012, 3:21 pm

I thought the Big Goodbye was ok but not great.  Surprisingly, it is consistently considered by many people to be one of the top episodes for TNG.


Yes, this is one of the first Holedeck failure stories.  TNG had several more of these though one character from them is very interesting (all I will say about that!).


Voyager went way overboard with Holodeck stories.  If I was on Voyager I would avoid the holodecks and the shuttles...death traps!


My favorite episode that is coming up is 11001001.


Jim

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Report this Jun. 07 2012, 3:23 pm

Don't sweat your pace Baylatinum.  I'm having the same issue on my DS9 board.  Work is killing me.  I've even seen an episode and just plain forgot to post my review.


My feedback from your posts has been a little thin on content.  I haven't seen these early episodes from TNG in years...hard to remember the details.


Jim

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Report this Jun. 08 2012, 3:03 pm

Datalore: Good

The Enterprise explores Data's home planet, Omicron Theta. They find his brother, and the dark secret he carries.

I really enjoyed this episode, I became more of a fan of Data. I don’t have very much to say about it, I think that it combined comedy with action which I believe makes a good and classic episode. I loved Data trying to sneeze and his constant use of the word “brother”. The only thing I didn’t like was that they used the stolen identity story AGAIN. All around it was a funny episode, and I learned much more about Data, so it was a pretty good episode because of that.

@s02229: Yes, that was a very funny and entertaining episode! Although not a very deep it did bring me quite a few laughs.

@enhancesys: I don’t mind “holodeck failure” episodes, but I feel that they are used a lot, which can irritate me. They are a large aspect of Star Trek, but I just wish that there was less, I mean normally when an episode is based in a holodeck you can expect something bad will happen, this is not always the case but often times is. But they added a lot of charm to that episode so it made it ok in my book. And I am looking forward to watching 11001001, hopefully I can watch it tomorrow, if everything goes the way I planned.

Thanks,
Baylatinum


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Report this Jun. 09 2012, 4:46 am

Baylatinum,


I agree that DataLore was a good episode.  We got to learn more about how Data came to be and why he is unique rather than thousands of Data's running around somewhere.


Jim


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s02229

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Report this Jun. 10 2012, 1:40 pm

I love your reviews, it's possitive (some of the reviews I see in other site is too hypercritic)


please keep them coming! and random question any of you is data's fans? 

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Report this Jun. 10 2012, 2:14 pm

Datalore was an awesome episode on several levels. Backstory on one of the main characters of the series is always good. Even though he has the evil twin brother cliche, they pull it off surprisingly well. They even pull a twist having Lore made first and Data his replacement without emotions. This has to be a huge pitfall for Data learning that the human emotions he covets made his nearly similar brother a bad guy. Still Lore did want to kill Wesley, so he does have SOME redeeming qualities.


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Report this Jun. 10 2012, 11:04 pm

Angel One: Fair

Riker struggles with a planet's female leader, while a plague on the Enterprise prohibits sanctuary for the rebels.

This episode didn’t quite do it for me. Normally I would say that the idea was good but the execution didn’t meet up. But for this one I think its the other way around, I feel that the acting was good, but the whole plot wasn’t extremely exciting. I try to base my rating of three aspects, how good the plot was, how entertaining it was, and how good/bad the acting was. For this one, I didn’t think the plot was that great, but it was entertaining. I feel that  the relationship between Riker and Beata was just about the only thing that really drew me in, adding that made it very interesting. So far I have really enjoyed TNG, but I would have to say that they have been lacking originality sometimes, this episode resembled Justice in a way, and you all have heard me rant about “possession”, and these recent holodeck mishaps. But I think the good overpowers the bad in the series.

@s02229: Thank you! I’m trying to stay as positive as possible, it’s hard to find the in-between of honest and positive. I have said before that TNG is a classic and deserves lots of praise, and so I’m trying to give it what it deserves, as well as being real with the fact that some of the episodes aren't that great. But I am very glad that you enjoy reading them, and I will try to keep them coming as fast as I can!

@RStar17: I agree, I think they pulled it off very well. They made it so Data realized that he was less-human than other Androids, but still without totally crushing him. And yes,Lore did have some good qualities.

Thanks,
Baylatinum

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Report this Jun. 12 2012, 4:25 pm

Baylatinum,


I agree with your rating on this one.  TNG did use the planetary cultures as "tests" for extreme views in our current day.  By extreme I mean take a view to its fullest extreme not that the view is necessarily extreme.  This one had the feminist view.


I thought this was a good vehicle for Riker/Frakes to to show their stuff.


Jim


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RStar17

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Report this Jun. 12 2012, 5:16 pm

Oh the space gigolo episode. Yeah, that one was silly and having to watch Riker in that outfit was just an eyesore.


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 1:14 am

I've really been enjoying your reviews!  Since you watched Deep Space Nine first, you can provide a fresh, less nostalgia-tainted perspective on its predecessor.  I'm excited for you.  To you, watching TNG must be kind of like watching a prequel.  You'll get to see how Worf and O'Brien start out before they joined DS9 and how the political situation in the Alpha Quadrant is set up.  You'll also get to see the introduction of many elements on which Deep Space Nine was founded, like the Bajorans and Cardassians.


I must say, Baylatinum, you're being a lot kinder to TNG season 1 than I would be in your place.  With the possible exceptions of "The Big Goodbye" and "Datalore," every episode has ranged from "fair" to "terrible" in my opinion.  Maybe it's because I know how great this show will eventually become that make these early episodes seem so embarrassingly awful.  The animated series aside, TNG season 1 may very well be the worst season in the franchise.  Still, though, a part of me looks back on these episodes with fondness.  After all, this was the first season of Star Trek I watched all the way through.  I'm glad you're enjoying it!


Concerning the episode at hand, I thought "Angel One" was all over the place.  The plot about the matriarchy planet was completely unrelated to the overused "virus on the ship" plot.  I think I would have rated it as "not good" according to Jim's scale.  Like much of this season, "Angel One" feels like it would belong more in the Original Series- both visually and narratively.

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Report this Jun. 14 2012, 12:09 am

11001001: Good

Aliens who are on-board to overhaul the computer system of the Enterprise hijack the vessel instead; Riker falls for a sultry holodeck character.

This has to be one of the best episodes yet. Very interesting and intriguing. Although as with most any show/movie you can normally tell who the enemy is, or will be. Its not natural to focus so much attention on someone (or in this case a group of aliens) and not have them make a large influence on the episode or series, normally in a negative way. So what i’m trying to say is that it was very predictable that they had other motives. It really was a great episode despite that. It was nice to see Picard and Riker help them towards the end, despite what they had done.

So far TNG hasn’t been too bad, but I do get frustrated with the quality of some episodes. In a way I regret watching DS9 before, but at the same time I probably wouldn’t even be interested in Star Trek now. DS9 spoiled me in a way, even though many feel that TNG was better. I understand why some may not agree with some of the risks DS9 took, and how you could feel secure with the sameness of TNG. People feel that Star Trek should stay with Roddenberry's view of the future, but I feel the whole point of Star Trek is to “go where no man has gone before”, and to take some risks on the way. I’m not trying to bash it in anyway but just wanted to let everyone know what I’m comparing it to. Still trying to keep an open mind, but I have to compare it to something otherwise I would probably rank them all great.

@enhancesys: I feel that is a touchy topic, Star Trek of course is going to be extreme, but I feel they have to be very careful when they mess with human looking and acting people. This is what I felt with Justice also, sometimes they push it too far, then I usually either lose interest, or get irritated.

@4_Cardassia: It has been a great experience so far! Like you said, I have been able to get a lot of backstory on DS9, which has been a great positive influence on my Star Trek experience! Thank you for the support, I really value your input, especially since you understand my constant references to DS9.

Thanks,
Baylatinum

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Report this Jun. 15 2012, 8:47 pm

Baylatinum,


You are correct, 11001001 was somewhat predictable but Minuet stole the show.  The actress did a nice job playing a tough character...easy on the eyes as well.


The bionars were an interesting concept.  Also, the computer upgrade leader appeared in an episode of The Original Series...Mudd's Women.


It is tough to remember back to the late 1980's but TNG had a tall order.  Star Trek hadn't been a tv show in 20 years and only had 3 seasons of canon to fall back on...and very episodic seasons at that.  They really had to play it safe early on to get their footing for the whole franchise.


Moving forward from here there is a consistently good string of episodes; When the Bough Breaks is a little corny but has excellent acting with Jerry Hardin (who is in Trek a lot as various characters) and Brenda Strong from Desperate Housewives and the new Dallas show.  Other good shows coming up are Home Soil, Coming of Age, Arsenal of Freedom, Skin of Evil and Conspiracy is really different.


Enjoy!


Jim


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Report this Jun. 17 2012, 11:31 pm

Too Short a Season: Fair

An elderly admiral must negotiate the end of a hostage crisis he helped create.

First off, I once again apologize for not reviewing an episode in a few days, I will try to get them posted faster.

This episode was very interesting. I was trying to figure out what plot was the main one. Most episodes have many different plots going on, kind of like a A and B plot, or sometimes even more. So with this one I feel the hostage situation was meant to be the main or A plot, but my attention was mainly focused on Jameson’s de-aging process. With any show or movie that portrays something humanly impossible, but something that most would want, such as de-aging, my attention is focused just on that. So I almost forgot about the hostages until they were brought up again.

Things we dream of such as aging backwards, immortality, and untold riches, all these things sound nice, but if we're going by the lessons we learn from our favorite shows or books, they all have nasty hooks built in. I don’t think I have ever seen it end well. So this episode wasn’t my favorite, but i don’t expect all to meet my expectations.

@enhancesys: I agree many had been waiting from TNG, and had set expectations for it. Sequels for any movie or show are hard, there is a fine line between writers continuing a great and exciting story, or pushing a true classic too far. So based on that I really prise the writers of TNG, although I am at times I am hard on it, it was worth the making. And thank you for the list of good episodes, I am looking forward to them.

Thanks,
Baylatinum

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