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Seeing TNG for the First Time

GoldPressedBaylatinum

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Report this May. 17 2012, 2:06 pm

I am a avid fan of Star Trek as a whole, my favorite series was Deep Space Nine, but I have now finished it and am ready for another journey through Star Trek, TNG. Since it is such a classic I decided to spend my time watching it. I want to rate and explain what I think of each episode as I go. I hope that you guys can help me find the good in the series, because I know that it is a masterpiece in its own way.


My ranking system: Amazing, Great, Good, Fair, Bad and I may make up some in between.


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RStar17

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Report this May. 17 2012, 2:14 pm

Good luck with it and hope ya enjoy it. We'll be here to comment with ya through it. Surprising you've seen DS9 but not TNG though.


TNG is a different atmosphere than DS9 and keep in mind it started in the 80's. No driving plot throughout the series like there was with DS9 but there are several good story arcs that crop up.


Also, like DS9, Season 1 and 2 are kinda rough, but it picks up from there.

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Report this May. 17 2012, 2:47 pm

Thanks for all the support, I started with DS9 since many of my friends were watching it at the time, I immediately became hooked and started watching it on my own, at first It felt like an independent series, but soon my eyes were opened to the amazing Star Trek franchise, and was ecstatic to find out that there was so much more to Star Trek than just Kirk and Spock.
And yes, I have heard that TNG is episodic, and I was told that the first couple seasons are very tough to get through. That’s one of the reasons I decided to post this thread. I need to be reminded that TNG was created earlier and is much different than DS9, but of course is still one of the Star Trek masterpieces and deserves praise.


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enhancesys

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Report this May. 17 2012, 3:46 pm

Gold,


This is Jim.  Good luck!  It is a long commitment...probably 6 months of reviews.  I have done Voyager and DS9 back-to-back and I am a little burnt-out though I am glad I am doing it.


I have seen TNG several times through so I was not going to review it.  I'll allow you and simply throw in my 2 cents.


TNG is more stand-alone.  Not many story-arcs but there are many 2-parters.  The series finale is outstanding.


Jim

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Report this May. 17 2012, 5:38 pm

GoldPressedBaylatinum,


I'm very excited to read your first-time experiences with The Next GenerationTNG was the first Star Trek series that I watched from beginning to end.  Looking back, I think this series has the worst first two seasons, but also has the most dramatic leap in quality of any Trek series at the start of season 3.  As I've said before, I consider TNG to be the trial-and-error period from which the brilliant Deep Space Nine was forged.  In fact, TNG is a major part of what makes DS9 so satisfying and enjoyable to watch.  This show took the undefined setting of the Original Series and transformed it into a rich, complex universe.  This universe was later explored with even more depth by DS9.  Since you've already seen Deep Space, I will be interested to read as you watch various DS9 themes, races, and locales introduced for the first time by TNG.  Enjoy!

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Report this May. 18 2012, 11:08 pm

Encounter at Farpoint:  Fair

This is the series premiere of TNG , so I tried to put myself in the shoes of a Star Trek fan in 1987, when it first aired. The episode starts with Picard logging the current situation. Admittedly, it was hard to grasp what was going on in DS9 , I know Sisko also logged in the premiere, but I personally feel that Picard was more thorough. I think that I leaped into TNG knowing the plot more than in the case with DS9.

He went on to explain that those aboard the Enterprise are on their way to Farpoint Station. On their way there they approach a large mysterious field. Then they find out Q is behind it when he transports onto the bridge. I was originally introduced to Q in DS9, but I have since then heard a lot about him. I can't really figure him out as a character. I can't figure out what his aim is, just to harass Picard? Anyways, after a lot of dialogue, the crew get faced with a choice to either run away or fight. They decide to disconnect the saucer section from the stardrive section, which I didn't know was possible. To make a long story short, Q stops them as a weird sphere thing, and transports everyone to a very odd courtroom. Q is the judge (of course) and rides in on moving throne. This part was extremely tacky in my opinion. This was one of those moments when you almost turn the TV off, but I kept with it. After all of this Q stuff they finally pick up Commander William Riker.

At this point I was starting to get introduced to more characters. I soon saw Dr. Beverly Crusher, Wesley Crusher, and Geordi LaForge. Anyways, i'm not going to keep explaining the episode because that would take too long. But to be quite honest I wasn’t a big fan of Jean-Luc, he intimidates me and i’m not even there. He just seems very cold. Maybe that is just because i’m used to Sisko. So my first impression of TNG was quite rocky, but I know that as 4Cardassia said TNG was kinda the trial-and-error period, but despite that still deserves to be watched. I don’t mind being corrected (in a nice way) because that is mostly the purpose of this thread. I need to keep an open mind and look at it with different viewpoints.

Thanks,
Baylatinum

Oh and i’m sorry this was so long, I just wanted to go more in detail since it is the first episode. I later episodes I won't go too long, just explain what I thought about it.


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Report this May. 19 2012, 1:46 pm

@Baylatinum,


Like 4_Cardassia, TNG was the first Star Trek series I watched all the way through. I have great respect for the series, and I think it deserves a lot of credit for creating an interesting and complex universe out of what little information they had from TOS (I'm not saying TOS was bad in any way, I just don't think they had fully realized the galaxy at that point). TNG founded and explored so many things that are crucial to the workings of Star Trek: Bajor, Cardassians, Ferengi, the Borg, the governments and rulers of each faction, the Breen are first mentioned, the list goes on.


However, TNG had a very rocky start. Its first season was horrible and the second wasn't much better. I agree completely that Captain Picard feels "cold." I did not become attached to any of the characters and the whole jellyfish story just seemed too odd to me. And why would the Bandi need the giant magical jellyfish if they already invented repliocators! But despite all that, I loved TNG by the third season. I think that is the point where the storylines, characters, and overall feel of the series drastically increase in quality. Season 3 is one of my favorite Star Trek seasons and has one of the best cliffhangers in television history. So remember that there is a light at the end of the tunnel! Thank you, and I look forward to reading more of your reviews as you watch TNG for the first time!


Never turn your back on a Breen.

RStar17

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Report this May. 19 2012, 2:27 pm

Encounter at Farpoint was pretty weak compared to the pilots of DS9 and Voyager really. It did introduce you to the crew, and one of TNG's villians Q(he'll be back about once a season).


Just the episode seemed more focused on introducing you to the characters, the new ship and what it can do, with the actual plots, the Farpoint station and sparring with Q both seeming like an afterthought.


The Saucer seperation is a neat novelty... and I call it a novelty because you see it three more times and that's it.


Picard is definitely different from the other captains of the series. He is the prim, proper gentlemen that turned in his sense of humor when he got his promotion to captain. Especially in the early seasons.


Kirk was larger than life, and won over his crew because they all liked him. Picard just gives you the feeling he knows it all and you may not like him, but it's hard not to respect him.


As for the rest of the crew, well... it's season 1 and they're still figuring out what they want to do with everyone.


 


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Report this May. 19 2012, 11:39 pm

The Naked Now: Bad

The crew of the Enterprise is subjected to an exotic illness that drives them to unusual manic behavior.

Ok, this episode was just plain bad, I don’t mean anything to those that do like it. But wow, first off I didn’t understand it at all. I mean they just walked in on all these naked frozen people, and got some weird disease that made them act like they are drunk. I don’t know what would make a writer come up with that. I don’t mean to bash it in anyway, but this episode alone was pretty terrible in my opinion. And I think I got my first feeling of hate toward Wesley. Anyways, all around I did not enjoy this episode. I can’t wait until I enter the 3rd season, where as I have heard, the show gets better.


Thanks,


Baylatinum


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Report this May. 20 2012, 10:39 am

The only saving grace of the Naked Now is the innuendos created by Data being "fully functional" and programed for "multiple techniques."


Given this episode came out in 1988, I'm surprised it was allowed to air.


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Report this May. 20 2012, 11:47 am

Gold, I take it you've never seen TOS? Maybe you should consider watching the aforementioned 'Naked Time'. Perhaps it would help. As for the first two seasons of TNG, yeah they are a little rough around the edges but not as bad as some people have led you to believe. Have fun.

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Report this May. 20 2012, 1:53 pm

Baylatinum,


I am just jumping in now on the episode reviews.  It appears you've done a couple already.  I'll try and do a better job of keeping up with you.  This is going to be different for me because I am used to reviewing and not commenting on the review of others. 


First, I thought your first review on Encounter at Farpoint was excellent.  This is your board.  Comment as long or as short as you like.  You gave me a lot of good material to bounce off of with Farpoint.  I don't mind a comprehensive review.  Many times mine are too brief so I appreciate the rest of the regulars jumping in and bringing it to life.  I am slowly finding the best way is to review the "set up" of the episode but then go with commentary and not just recite the events of the episode (which I did much too often).  Your board!  


One final thing and then I will jump into the episode, I have seen all episodes of TNG many times.  However, it has been 4 or 5 years since I last ran through them.  I'll remember a lot about them but I'll forget some of the detail.  That is what guys like Data Logan are for!  That guy remembers all.


Anyway...Encounter at Farpoint...I would have rated this one "Good".  I liked the ending and how unexpected it was.  I liked getting to know the characters, the ship and the updated "Star Trek universe".  We now have Galaxy-class ships with the families on board, androids that are almost human (with Federation technology...human-like Andriods were in TOS but not Federation-built).  We also get to see the saucer separation for the first time.  As I recall, Captain Kirk briefly talks about that ability in an episode called The Apple but is never demonstrated.


So, I liked the story and the volume of "data" they gave us in setting up the show.  However, I was worried about the characters.  Picard was way stiff and cold.  Troi was too emotional.  Wesley was annoying.  Worf just growled at people.  Riker, Yar and Beverly seemed ok.  I was worried they would try and turn Data into a Spock clone.  I'll try not to spoil it for you but I will say that Picard gets very good.  Stewart took time but learned how to play him right.  Data became very good.  Some say Picard and Data dominated too much in later years.


I, too, was turned off by Q in the beginning.  He was just to over-the-top for me.  However, I learned my first impression was incorrect.  I think DeLancie played it right.  He was meant to be this over-the-top character.  All I'll say is he initiates a long story arc.  Any more and I spoil it.


Jim

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Report this May. 20 2012, 2:00 pm

Naked Now...I would have rated this one Fair.  Yes, Wesley cranked up the annoying factor.  I never bought into the Picard and Crusher thing.  I never felt the heat from them.  The TOS episode this was based on wasn't bad.


The "interaction" between Data and Yar feels like just a ratings ploy in this episode but over time you'll find it was more meaningful than that.


Jim

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Report this May. 20 2012, 2:01 pm

...and all Trek shows had weak seasons early on, except TOS.  TNG hits enough winners early on to keep you interested.


Jim

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Report this May. 20 2012, 4:06 pm

@entropyman


I have seen very little of TOS, and thanks for the recomendation, I plan on watching "Naked Time" soon.


 


@enhancesys


Thank you for all the feedback. I really enjoy reading your reviews about DS9, and I apologize that I haven't commented on them too much. I am struggling with how to write these reviews because I know that everyone has different opinions, and I don't want to offend anyone in anyway. I'm basing this on my first reactions of the episodes, and I am sure that if I watched them over and over I would have a different viewpoint. As I said at the end of my "Encounter at Farpoint" review, I enjoy hearing what others think, and i'm trying to keep an open mind. Thanks again, and as I said, I want to try to be more active on your DS9 review thread, because DS9 was a great passion of mine, and still is. I hope that you enjoy DS9, and I hope that I can continue to enjoy TNG.


Thanks,


Baylatinum


 

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