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Star Trek XI

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 6:59 pm

Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 13 2012, 5:33 pm

>Yes, she was a lieutenant(not cadet, she was never referred to as cadet) training to be captain. Meaning she already put in her four years at the academy and did some time as an ensign.


your making assumptions you cant back up with any solid evidence,we have no idea if she put in 4 years of school, or if she was in the middle of it all.


and yes indeed, she was refered to as "CADET", and we saw what job she was being trained for.


 


 


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RStar17

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 9:48 pm

Negative sir, I'd suggest watching ST2 again. She was not in a Cadet's uniform, she had a lieutenant's insignia. It was referred to as a trainee crew, but you don't think that includes junior officers... maybe even ones training for a higher rank one day?


stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 11:37 pm

Negative sir, I suggest that it is you that needs to be watching ST2 again.


She was INDEED in a Cadet's uniform and she had a lieutenant JG insignia.


The red colors/undershirts were the department colors for cadets....at least according to the art directors of the film.The jumpsuits/utility uniforms you saw on the other trainies were for inlisted crewment not the officer cadets.


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She was referred to as a trainee as well as cadet.[From the script]


KIRK [to Spock]:Aren't you dead?


I assume you are loitering here to learn what efficiency rating I plan to give your cadets.


SPOCK I am understandably curious.


KIRK They destroyed the simulator room and you with it.


Thats Kirk calling all of them, includding Saavik ,Cadets and Spock resonding to it with out correcting him.


 


Even Memory Alpha page on her claims she was a cadet at the time


http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Saavik


In March of 2285, Saavik was a Starfleet cadet and, while mentored by Spock at Starfleet Academy, she underwent the Kobayashi Maru scenario.


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RStar17

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Report this Jun. 14 2012, 6:44 am

Wiki style sites are prone to human error by their very nature. And citing what someone off screen said is surprising come from you, the way you seem to worship all things canon.


Kirk was generalizing over the group of "cadets" easily. As for the jumpsuit uniform I'll counter with something... canon.


In Tapestry Picard's female friend, Ensign Bartinedies referenced to Picard that "these bars are feeling heavy on you" or something to that effect while tugging on his comm badge. A reference that only officers have those flanking bars on their comm badges. Indeed all the people in the jumpsuits were wearing only round version.


In the game Starfleet Academy game from 97, which is considered canon enough for memory alpha to list, revolves around a group of cadets training. All wearing those jumpsuits. Kirk, Sulu, and Chekov are all in it played by their respective actors also lends it credibilty, but that's the weaker of my three arguements so write it off as selectively not cannon if you want.


The last... Picard shows a younger picture of himself in Nemesis... wearing one of those jumpsuits. Being he described himself as a young fool, it would have to be before Tapestry gave him a sharp lession literally. So take that as you will.



stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jun. 14 2012, 10:20 am

I dont see anything from Picards era as an effective counter in this debate.Its not exactly the same era, and shit changes.Maybe by the time Picard was at the acadamy, the enlisted uniforms had become standard cadet uniforms.


And even if Kirk was geneaqrlising, you would expect Spock to have corrected him...........if he needed correting.


 

RStar17

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Report this Jun. 14 2012, 10:41 am

No you wouldn't, I guess. You offer an awful lot of supposition to support the so called canon when it doesn't make sense and even go out of the way to muddy issues that do make sense.


So are you arguing that they changed the crewman uniform to that of the cadets while keeping everything else the same just to confuse everyone?  Certainly I know who's explanation makes more sense out of the two.


I'm sort of starting to wonder if you just like arguing the facts regardless of what they are.


 


stovokor2000-A

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Report this Jun. 14 2012, 1:28 pm

what I*'m saying is that the uniform issues of Picards early days are already far too muddied to try to base any argument on.


So, its pointless to try to use any example from those days.


and what I enjoy is debating things thsat others claim as factual and clearly defined when in reality they are vague

mabill

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Report this Jun. 14 2012, 8:20 pm

SOMEBODY needs to get the theme from Star Trek XI  on itunes as a ringtone.  I have the flute song from TNG.  It's a great ringtone.  The first 7 or 8 bars of this latest movie would be an awesome ringtone.  Too bad my iphone doesn't allow me to record a ringtone.  Dammit Jim!!!

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Report this Jun. 14 2012, 8:22 pm

SOMEBODY needs to get the theme from Star Trek XI  on itunes as a ringtone.  I have the flute song from TNG.  It's a great ringtone.  The first 7 or 8 bars of this latest movie would be an awesome ringtone.  Too bad my iphone doesn't allow me to record a ringtone.  Dammit Jim!!!

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Report this Jun. 16 2012, 8:53 am

Well granted it wasnt exactly the gold in the Star Trek series however it reinvents the story.. let us make a better grade on it in the sequel. The movie has pros and cons alot of cons however let us give it a good going over when the sequel comes out. They have time to fix it.  However not feeling the destruction of Vulcan changes alot.. ALOT

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Report this Jun. 17 2012, 4:10 pm

Look.. The Destruction of Vulcan was done out of "WE NEED A SHOCK FACTOR " in this movie, clearly that idiot JJ Abrams and his group of morons had no idea what makes Star Trek TICK, so they just threw caution to the wind put alot of stupid ideas out there, and whatever gets the best reaction then yippy..But listen to me zeroice007, the sequel will be no better, we're seeing the end Of Star Trek thanks to JJ Abrams.

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Report this Jun. 18 2012, 8:36 am

Wah, wah, wah!



Lo! The true believers and canonizers of ST shall go forth and preach to the nations of JJ's heresy!


Be not deceived!


LOL


It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want. - Spock

zeroice007

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Report this Jun. 18 2012, 1:10 pm

Quote: DammitJim6200 @ Jun. 17 2012, 4:10 pm

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>Look.. The Destruction of Vulcan was done out of "WE NEED A SHOCK FACTOR " in this movie, clearly that idiot JJ Abrams and his group of morons had no idea what makes Star Trek TICK, so they just threw caution to the wind put alot of stupid ideas out there, and whatever gets the best reaction then yippy..But listen to me zeroice007, the sequel will be no better, we're seeing the end Of Star Trek thanks to JJ Abrams.

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Yea i agree to a point. But for Star Trek I hope its not a true end.. Hoping?

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jun. 18 2012, 5:22 pm

Look..JJ Abrams can do, well, alot, but he can't kill Star Trek, he can make Star trek look STUPID, IMMATURE and HUMOROUS but he can't keep it down, the movie made money because it isen't Star Trek, it's more like "Space Camp" his sequel might make some money but it will not be a huge hit because he has no clue what real Star Trek is, fans and people will soon find out what damage he's done to TOS, But it will take two more horrible movies before Pramount give us the Star Trek  we want, until then we have the novels..Keep your hope. 

Mitchz95

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Report this Jun. 18 2012, 5:35 pm

While I still disagree that the Abrams movie made Trek look stupid/immature/some equivalent, I do look forward to the hypothetical day when it becomes more like what we saw in the multiple series.


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