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RStar17

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 2:45 pm

That's the equivlent of promoting a 3rd year cadet at west point to colonel. It's just absurd. Sure, accelerate his graduation, give him a medal and bump him up to lieutenant junior grade, on the fast track, but the man lacks the fundamental EXPERIANCE to be a captain as of yet. I mean Wesley Crusher saved the day any number of times and no one's suggesting they make him captain.


They should have kept Pike as captain, and Kirk a lieutenant commander in the next movie which starts some years later. Then the baton could have been passed gracefully from Pike to Kirk.


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 2:47 pm

but he SAVED the entire FEDERATION


 



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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 3:07 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Jun. 13 2012, 2:41 pm

>I don't have a problem with Kirk getting promoted...just not from Cadet to Captain of the Federation's flagship.

>That's my second biggest complaint about the movie, the biggest being the new Enterprise.

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Kirk held the rank of "Lieutenant" for most of the film


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 3:11 pm

Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 13 2012, 2:45 pm

>That's the equivlent of promoting a 3rd year cadet at west point to colonel. It's just absurd. Sure, accelerate his graduation, give him a medal and bump him up to lieutenant junior grade, on the fast track, but the man lacks the fundamental EXPERIANCE to be a captain as of yet. I mean Wesley Crusher saved the day any number of times and no one's suggesting they make him captain.

>They should have kept Pike as captain, and Kirk a lieutenant commander in the next movie which starts some years later. Then the baton could have been passed gracefully from Pike to Kirk.

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Kirk was already a Lieutenant in the film


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 3:42 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jun. 13 2012, 3:07 pm

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>Kirk held the rank of "Lieutenant" for most of the film

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Sure, but did he deserve it?


He's a third-year cadet who got a field promotion for no particular reason, and saved the Federation thanks to a very lucky set of circumstances. His original plan - to beam aboard, rescue Pike and neutralize the red matter - failed, and it was thanks to Spock's improvisation that the Narada was defeated.


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 3:48 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Jun. 13 2012, 3:42 pm

>Sure, but did he deserve it?


Are you claiming he didnt?


He earned that rank in his 3 years after joing the academy.Who's to say what he diod or did not deserve for his time there.


 


 


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 3:53 pm

Kirk was not once referred to as lieutenant. Uhura was, Sulu was(even though both alternated back and forth between that and Cadet), but not Kirk. The closest thing to rank he was referred to is Pike randomly made him acting first officer.


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 3:54 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jun. 13 2012, 3:48 pm

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>Are you claiming he didnt?

>He earned that rank in his 3 years after joing the academy.Who's to say what he diod or did not deserve for his time there.

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Uh, yeah. As I said in my previous post, he didn't really do anything remarkable during his time on the Enterprise. His plan failed, and it was Spock who ended up saving the day. If anyone, Spock should be captain.


And I doubt Kirk did anything at the Academy that warranted such a promotion.


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 3:59 pm

Yeah... you put in four years... then you're an ensign. Least that's how it works outside alternate realities. The Abramverse really is a Kirkwank in some ways despite every woman he hits on shooting him down and him losing every fight he gets in.


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 4:07 pm

Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 13 2012, 3:53 pm

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>Kirk was not once referred to as lieutenant. Uhura was, Sulu was(even though both alternated back and forth between that and Cadet), but not Kirk. The closest thing to rank he was referred to is Pike randomly made him acting first officer.

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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 4:08 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Jun. 13 2012, 3:54 pm

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>And I doubt Kirk did anything at the Academy that warranted such a promotion.

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why would you doubt something you have no idea about?


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 4:12 pm

Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 13 2012, 3:59 pm

>Yeah... you put in four years... then you're an ensign. Least that's how it works outside alternate realities. The Abramverse really is a Kirkwank in some ways despite every woman he hits on shooting him down and him losing every fight he gets in.

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thats how it worked in the TNG era.............but not in Kirk/Pikes day.


Remember Savik????????A ccadet and a Lieutenant.No less she was in training for the job of Captain.


And Kirk wasnt the only one in this film to hold the rank.Uhura,Sulu both held the rank of Lieutenant


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 4:33 pm

I loved seeing the crew of the Enterprise come back, liked the casting, wasn't crazy about it being an "alternate time line", meaning the story differs from the original Trek, still, overall, I enjoyed the film, and am simply glad anything Trek is still being made. We need a new series!


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 5:16 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jun. 13 2012, 4:08 pm

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>why would you doubt something you have no idea about?

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Well, it just seems unlikely to me. But you're right that we have no way of knowing for sure.


That said, I think that if he were a star student or pulled off something really amazing, it would have been brought up somewhere...maybe at his hearing. Of course, the hearing ended prematurely so it could go either way.


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Report this Jun. 13 2012, 5:33 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Jun. 13 2012, 4:12 pm

Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 13 2012, 3:59 pm

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>Yeah... you put in four years... then you're an ensign. Least that's how it works outside alternate realities. The Abramverse really is a Kirkwank in some ways despite every woman he hits on shooting him down and him losing every fight he gets in.

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thats how it worked in the TNG era.............but not in Kirk/Pikes day.

Remember Savik????????A ccadet and a Lieutenant.No less she was in training for the job of Captain.

And Kirk wasnt the only one in this film to hold the rank.Uhura,Sulu both held the rank of Lieutenant


Yes, she was a lieutenant(not cadet, she was never referred to as cadet) training to be captain. Meaning she already put in her four years at the academy and did some time as an ensign. That's how it works. The idea of a third year cadet instantaneously advancing to captain is absurd. The TOS movies contradict this concept as do the TNG era.


You can defend the Abram verse as "canon" all you want, but that doesn't mean it's not ridiculous and utterly lacking in logic and common sense.


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