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Star Trek XI

RStar17

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Report this May. 21 2012, 7:25 am

There is no consistancy with time travel in Star Trek. There might have been in the TOS/movie/TNG/DS9 eras, but Voyager and Enterprise just abused the heck out of it almost to the point that time travel was as common as warp speed. The latest movies is just another example... you can time travel through black holes now? Gee I thought they just crushed you.


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Report this May. 21 2012, 7:37 am

Quote: RStar17 @ May. 21 2012, 7:25 am

>you can time travel through black holes now? Gee I thought they just crushed you.


travel trew black holes isint new to sci-fi in general, or Trek in specific.


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Report this May. 21 2012, 8:10 am

The time travel through black holes thing is totally NOT new, sure.  I mean, I used it in my book.    And there may or may not be some science to the connections between time travel, black holes, quantum physics, etc., but Star Trek has never been *about* the science.  It's about the storytelling!  And about going boldy where no one has gone before!


Star Trek has achieved that, and the new story has achieved that, as well.  I love it!  Sure, it tossed some sacred cows onto the altar, but just like no loved one looks or acts the same each time you see him/her, neither does this franchise deliver exactly what we expect or have come to love, every time we tune in!  I, for one, am a huge fan of the new movie, and still feel like I am faithful in my love for the classic characters that were placed so many years ago in a new situation on the TV screen for our entertainment.


We've got plenty of schools for pure educational value.  I'll allow ST the poetic license to sore wherever it will, just as long as it doesn't bore like the first "Motion Picture" did!!!

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Report this May. 21 2012, 12:54 pm

Quote: cochrane2063 @ May. 13 2012, 9:51 pm

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>I just saw Star Trek (2009) for the first time, and I can't understand why people like it. Sure, its better (in my opinion) than TMP or TSFS, but those aren't exactly high standards (for me). I thought the science (even for Trek) was garbage, that the Enterprise was hideous inside and out (especially engineering), and that the plot had more holes than the fabric of spacetime after red matter (THAT'S THE BEST NAME THEY COULD COME UP WITH???) is released. Am I insane, or am I right?

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you're 100 percent right my friend 


 


 


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Report this May. 21 2012, 8:01 pm

Quote: cochrane2063 @ May. 13 2012, 9:51 pm

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>I just saw Star Trek (2009) for the first time, and I can't understand why people like it. Sure, its better (in my opinion) than TMP or TSFS, but those aren't exactly high standards (for me). I thought the science (even for Trek) was garbage, that the Enterprise was hideous inside and out (especially engineering), and that the plot had more holes than the fabric of spacetime after red matter (THAT'S THE BEST NAME THEY COULD COME UP WITH???) is released. Am I insane, or am I right?

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This is what you just said....


"Why do people have a different opinion than me?  Obviously, mine is the correct opinion and I just don't understand why anyone could have a different opinion than myself, so I'm going to come to a message board and call everyone out for their error.  Am I insane?"


So to answer your question, no, you are not correct.  It's an opinion for christ's sakes.


 

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Report this May. 23 2012, 12:37 pm

I wasn't too crazy about Star Trek (2009) either.  They did a good job with most of the characters, but totally screwed up Spock, my favorite character.  They had a lot of beautiful young actors and some good action and fancy special effects, but I found some of the science questionable. I hate the way the created an alternate timeline, or whatever the heck it was they did.  That sort of thing has a place in comic books (and I love comic books) but not in a Star Trek movie, IMHO.  This movie does have its merits, but I give it a 7/10.

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Report this May. 23 2012, 1:44 pm

I dunno... they just seem watered down versions of the original cast that compensate for that with flashy visual effects.


Kirk tries to be a womanizer, but gets shot down every time he makes a pass. He gets into fights all the time, but loses each and every time. Not to mention it took five minutes into the movie before you're just thinking the main protagonist is a jerk.


Spock... man what an emo he is in this movie. Who knew to get him to fly over the edge you just had to break out a yo mama joke. Then again Kirk's destroying centuries old classic cars over daddy issues. What a pair.


Really the thing that irked me the most about the movie was they promoted a 3rd year cadet... to captain. I could get over the cadets all having to man the ships due to manpower shortages in an emergency easy enough. Sure beats we're the only ship in the quadrant. Really give him the medal, even jump him up to Lieutenant(jg), but let him get some real life experience before you just put a twenty something cadet in command of a ship.


Next movie you could have set a few years later and have Kirk a commander and first officer. Kill off or injure Pike, and boom you got Captain Kirk genuinely without it reeking of plot device like in the 2009 movie. Besides the Pike actor was good enough to keep around for another movie.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 1:52 pm

Quote: RStar17 @ May. 23 2012, 1:44 pm

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>Kirk tries to be a womanizer, but gets shot down every time he makes a pass. He gets into fights all the time, but loses each and every time.

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That sounds a lot like prime Kirk to me.


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RStar17

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Report this May. 23 2012, 2:03 pm

Yeah, but the prime Kirk got the women of the week and won the fights. Pine just flails around rather ineptly.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 3:04 pm

The old Kirk didn't even seem to try that hard. As opposed to the new Kirk, who kept falling over Uhura and lost to a guy WITHOUT EMOTIONS!!! Rediculous.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 3:08 pm

Quote: cochrane2063 @ May. 23 2012, 3:04 pm

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>The old Kirk didn't even seem to try that hard. As opposed to the new Kirk, who kept falling over Uhura and lost to a guy WITHOUT EMOTIONS!!! Rediculous.

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Spock, and ALL Vulcans do INDEED have emotions.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 4:01 pm

Yeah, Vulcan's do have emotions, they just have a belief that emotion clouds and interferes with logic so they suppress them as to remain objective at all times.


ST(09) and why couldn't they freaking give it a better name, really did Vulcans a diservice by making Spock an emo whenever his mom was mentioned.


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Report this May. 24 2012, 6:03 am

What I thought was far more out of character was that there would be bullies at the Vulcan school. After all, where's the logic in that?


Well, I'm totally willing to let that go really. It just struck me as odd.


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Report this May. 24 2012, 6:42 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 24 2012, 6:03 am

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>What I thought was far more out of character was that there would be bullies at the Vulcan school. After all, where's the logic in that?

>Well, I'm totally willing to let that go really. It just struck me as odd.

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Actually that was totally acknowledged in TOS. Please rewatch "Journey to Babel"



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Report this May. 24 2012, 8:45 am

Spock's mom in TOS said he was teased by other Vulcan kids as a child. They do have emotions (as evidence by any and all episodes and movies dealing with Vulcans) and ENT should have established that they aren't above evil and treachery.


As a fan, I constantly say that the Vulcan need to suppress emotions is in itself an emotional response. But that's opinion and not canon.


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