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Mitchz95

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Report this May. 14 2012, 8:11 pm

^ I don't remember what was said in the movie, but perhaps they had more ships in the Sol system and elected to send the Enterprise because - having been extensively refit - it was the most advanced ship they had at the time.


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Report this May. 14 2012, 8:20 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 14 2012, 8:11 pm

>^ I don't remember what was said in the movie, but perhaps they had more ships in the Sol system and elected to send the Enterprise because - having been extensively refit - it was the most advanced ship they had at the time.


they clearly said the Enterprise was the only ship in interception range.


ASnd I also find it hard to believe that a ship, well over 50 years old, was the most advanced ship in the entire fleet


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Report this May. 14 2012, 8:24 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ May. 14 2012, 8:20 pm

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>ASnd I also find it hard to believe that a ship, well over 50 years old, was the most advanced ship in the entire fleet

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I said post-refit.


But I grant you the rest.


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Report this May. 14 2012, 8:31 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 14 2012, 8:24 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ May. 14 2012, 8:20 pm

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>ASnd I also find it hard to believe that a ship, well over 50 years old, was the most advanced ship in the entire fleet

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I said post-refit.

But I grant you the rest.

I know what you meant, I still find it hard to believe that such an old ship, even nif rebuilt, would be the most advanced


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Report this May. 15 2012, 8:43 am

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ May. 14 2012, 8:07 pm

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> since TOS we have been told that starfleet has a good number of ships and that the HQ's of starfleet and the fedaration are on Earth.

>then why is Starfleet is in the habit of keeping only one starship in the Terran system at any given time, and they could care less whether it's fully operational or not.   

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Which, ironically, is also a flaw in ST09. Most of the fleet happened to be away in the Laurentian System leaving inexperienced SF students to serve in case of an emergency. WTF? Again, UFP and SF HQs are left vulnerable. Not to mention this all took place post-Romulan War and the Xindi attack (the timelines were the same until the Narada came though the wormhole). I don't care how peaceful and tolerant a society has become, if you know there are warp capable, violent beings who will eff you up, you need defense. So it seems Terra nor Vulcan had land and air defense, low planetary orbit defense, or solar system defense except for SF, which would send a good chunk of the fleet out to other parts of the Federation with no back-up for member worlds on a day-to-day basis. Wow.


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Report this May. 15 2012, 10:16 am

Quote: Treknoir @ May. 15 2012, 8:43 am

>Which, ironically, is also a flaw in ST09. Most of the fleet happened to be away in the Laurentian System leaving inexperienced SF students to serve in case of an emergency. WTF? Again, UFP and SF HQs are left vulnerable. Not to mention this all took place post-Romulan War and the Xindi attack (the timelines were the same until the Narada came though the wormhole). I don't care how peaceful and tolerant a society has become, if you know there are warp capable, violent beings who will eff you up, you need defense. So it seems Terra nor Vulcan had land and air defense, low planetary orbit defense, or solar system defense except for SF, which would send a good chunk of the fleet out to other parts of the Federation with no back-up for member worlds on a day-to-day basis. Wow.


Well, not to prais JJ, but at least Starfleet had a good number of ships still at home base, even if they onlyt had a handfull of full officers for those ships


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Report this May. 15 2012, 12:05 pm

Stovokor, LOL, that's still a security and defense fail for the seat of Federation government.


Anyway, getting back on topic, as long as I am entertained I can forgive weak plots. I admit I am much more forgiving of weak plots in movies than books.


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Report this May. 15 2012, 2:20 pm

Quote: cochrane2063 @ May. 13 2012, 9:51 pm

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>I just saw Star Trek (2009) for the first time, and I can't understand why people like it. Sure, its better (in my opinion) than TMP or TSFS, but those aren't exactly high standards (for me). I thought the science (even for Trek) was garbage, that the Enterprise was hideous inside and out (especially engineering), and that the plot had more holes than the fabric of spacetime after red matter (THAT'S THE BEST NAME THEY COULD COME UP WITH???) is released. Am I insane, or am I right?

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Is it that time of the month again???


But you are insane and you are right...meaning you have the right to be insane.


 


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Report this May. 15 2012, 3:06 pm

What do you mean by is it that time of the month again? 


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Report this May. 15 2012, 3:58 pm

It was great storytelling!


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Report this May. 15 2012, 4:10 pm

a most awesome movie yet.

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Report this May. 16 2012, 6:27 pm

Since there is such a division the question I guess is any Star Trek better than no Star Trek? I found the new movie entertaining, the movies don't have to be the same as the TV show.


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Report this May. 17 2012, 2:06 pm

It took me two years before I finally watched it. It just irked me that that movie erased everything canon save Enterprise. The reviews just confirmed it was flashy graphics and little substance.


After watching it, it actually wasn't that bad. After I just got over it and even the movie went out of the way to explain they were in an alternate reality from the prime universe.


Granted this almost seems like a less capable TOS crew. I mean Kirk's character manages to make himself out to be a complete jerk within five minutes of the opening credits by stealing the car and destroying it. Not to mention he gets his but kicked in the bar, he gets his butt kicked on the planet drill thing, he gets his butt kicked by emo Spock, he gets his butt kicked by the Romulans. TOS Kirk could... fight. This guy makes Archer look like Joe Frazier.


Speaking of emo Spock. I mean he lost his temper in that movie more than Spock did in all of TOS, TNG and all six movies he was in before. Nimoy knew how to do it, convey emotion without a wail a teen who found out Twilight was canceled would envy. In this movie alone when Spock Prime watched Vulcan blow up, that devastated look on his face alone did it.


Oh and our happy villian? Nero.. oh my god. Well he and his Romulan band of skinhead neo-Nazis were... lackluster at best. The Narada was pretty wicked looking. The first time I watched it, I was like... so they just sat around waiting for 25 plus years? I shouldn't have to go on memory beta to get the back story in a freaking movie. Two minutes of dialogue could have established their crippled ship was captured by the Klingons and those ships they destroyed were them convienently escaping with their repaired ship right before Spock prime comes out of the black hole.


Black hole... worm hole... yeah won't even go into that. Technobabble seems to be a contagious virus. The more you speak it the more it multiplies. Voyager and Enterprise mastered technobabble problem plots and anti-technobabble solutions.


Back on subject, the new Enterprise for the most part looked awesome. I always like the refit version better than the TOS version and this new model managed to subtlely mix elements from both into a superior product.  That Grasshopper ship was just annoying to look at and I'm glad it was destroyed.


The plot was... alright. Had some holes, but it was a decent, if uninspiring action film. The music was good and enhanced the material. What really irked me is... making Kirk a captain? A third year cadet?! What the heck? DS9 did a whole episode about how dumb that is.


It was pretty much an aritifical plot device fufilled. I could easily have accepted an accelerated graduation, maybe even starting out at Lieutenant jg. You could end the movie with Pike telling Kirk he sees a big future for him.


From there you could have CREATIVE writing. Start Kirk as second officer and a lieutenant commander in the next movie. I liked the Pike character potrayed in the movie, and heck.. a lot of potential there keeping him around for at least part of the next movie. Obviously Kirk would replace him, but there's potential there.


Heck there's talk of a Kirk vs the Borg segment in the sequel as a possibility you could have even gone out on a limb and made Pike get assimilated into Locutus. That would've been intense and mirrored best of Both Worlds were Riker proves he's ready to sit in the big chair against Locutus.


Now... I'm just dreading what they WILL be doing in the next movie. Won't post the spoilers here, but... not sure if it can live up to the original or... will just continue to be a watered down, less capable, graphic heavy version of the original.


 


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Report this May. 17 2012, 3:02 pm

I agree completely. ST09 was a good enough action film, but the plot seriously lacks cohesion. I'm not saying that it should have been a redo of this, but First Contact had enough action without too many plot holes and without sacrificing its "Trek-ness".


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Report this May. 17 2012, 3:03 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ May. 14 2012, 8:07 pm

Quote: cochrane2063 @ May. 14 2012, 5:31 pm

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> ST09 actually ISN'T part of the Star Trek universe. Spock (both of them) say that very fact in the movie.

Actully, neither Spock says that defintively.

On plot holes: Could you point a few out from TMP?

Heres a big one.......

since TOS we have been told that starfleet has a good number of ships and that the HQ's of starfleet and the fedaration are on Earth.

then why is Starfleet is in the habit of keeping only one starship in the Terran system at any given time, and they could care less whether it's fully operational or not. 

 

Actually, new Spock says that the time travel created an Alternate Reality, and that Nero could not predict the results any better than they could.


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