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Heroic and not so awesome deaths.

DATAWORFfantotally

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Report this May. 09 2012, 1:44 pm

So... Data and Kirk had heroic deaths, while every time a caracter was killed off the tv shows the death was lame, like Tasha Yar or Jadsia Dax. I mean, Trip's death wasn't senceless (but wasn't really heroic) Maybe the strength movies have to affect and more money and time, but still...


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miklamar

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Report this May. 09 2012, 1:56 pm

I think the type of death one received depended upon how the producers felt toward the actor at that time.  If they liked you, you died an heroic death.  If they were mad at your leaving or something, you died in a tar pit.


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Report this May. 10 2012, 10:41 am

People die every single day, and most deaths are not "heroic."


If Star Trek gave a heroic death to every character who's time is up...it would become corny and cliche and cheesy.


I for one am glad they vary it.

DATAWORFfantotally

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Report this May. 10 2012, 11:46 am

Spock never really died persay, (am i useing the right word?)


The Vulcan came back, he wouldn't stay away no more no more no more no more

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Report this May. 10 2012, 7:50 pm

Heroic deaths are just the writers' way of telling us that everything's okay. Death isn't horrible and tragic -- nor is it commonplace -- if the hero sacrifices himself for his ship or his friends. In that case, death is a good, noble thing. We can all feel happy and reassured.


The reality, of course, is that death is more often messy and pointless.

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Report this May. 10 2012, 8:07 pm

I think they handled Sarek's death very well. RIP MArk Lenard. 


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Report this May. 10 2012, 8:41 pm

it all depends on how you will look at it.

edward.anderson

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Report this May. 10 2012, 9:25 pm

You do realize that in real life most people don't die heroic deaths? That's just how it is. I don't have a problem with how any of the characters were killed off.


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Report this May. 11 2012, 2:13 pm

So you're saying that just because it's Star Trek they should all die "heroic" deaths? That's ridiculous. And very unrealistic.


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Report this May. 11 2012, 7:42 pm

Sadly, people die "normal" ordinary deaths every day from diseases and unexpected accidents. Star Trek shouldn't be any different. But like you said we have our opinions and you have yours. End of discussion. I still think you're being completely unrealistic.

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Report this May. 11 2012, 8:45 pm

I was really pi$$ed when Lal died. First off, why did they violate Data's rights (and Lal too)? They went to court over this, did they just forget? Then they let the Admiral steamroll all over everybody and then Lal ended up dying because she was terrified to be taken away from her father. That guy should have been held accountable...it's a good thing he did it to Data; if it had been me I would have blown him out the nearest airlock.


 


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Report this May. 12 2012, 10:32 pm

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>Just another example I can recall in Star Wars - Queen Armadalla did she really die of a broken heart? That was pretty lame too

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she did, but she wasnt a queen at the time.She was a senator


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Report this May. 12 2012, 10:36 pm

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>Kirks death was totally lame, Data's was a big waste. So was Trips. Yars was an insult

>The only heroic death was Spocks. IMO

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ok, Spock saves the crew of 1 ship and its heroic 


but Kirk dieing while saving a full planet of people, and Data giving his life to stop a weapon that could have killed everyone on Earth werent heroic in your eyes?


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Report this May. 12 2012, 11:47 pm

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>I say Data's death was a waste and Kirk's death was lame - not awesome. I mean Picard was effectively using Kirk as redshirt canon fodder.

>Who cares about that stupid planet anyway? Vulcan was destroyed and nobody seems much concerned about that.  Let alone a planet that we didn't get to see and that Picard wouldn't compromise his high morals to try to save by going back in time.


Dude, what exactly are you talking about.


Yes....Vulcan was destroyed, but both Old and NU Spock seemed to care, so dfid Uhura, Sarek.


And again, what are you talking about with Picard...he did INDEED, go back in time and save that planet.


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Report this May. 12 2012, 11:52 pm

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>Just another example I can recall in Star Wars - Queen Armadalla did she really die of a broken heart? That was pretty lame too

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she did, but she wasnt a queen at the time.She was a senator

I could never bother to keep track of her various names and guises. Star Wars 1 put me off the whole thing.

I can understand that feeling


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