just wondering in warp is it posable to run in to an unknown planet or other large object?

ClosetTrekkie001

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Report this May. 07 2012, 11:51 pm

just wondering in warp is it posable to run in to an unknown planet or other large object?

ElizabethTlesTucker

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Report this May. 08 2012, 5:56 am

Imagine the explosive force of such a collision.


Now, if taveling at speeds greater than warp (warp 1.1 or faster) what would happen if a starship ran into a black hole? Light cannot escape a black hole, but what about a large object traveling at speeds greater than light, could it escape?

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Report this May. 08 2012, 6:36 pm

Elisabeth T'les Tucker, Kirk and company did that in the episode tomorrow is yesterday accidentally (when they go to the 60s and abduct a pilot from the air force), and again in assignment earth.

in a purely newtonian thinking, if you can achieve any higher warp you could get in and out of a black hole at will, being no different than leaving earth orbit (now the radiation, collisions with inbound matter and other nasty stuff on the black hole are another thing)

a warp 1 shuttle slamming earth would have enough energy to crack the planet (say 4 metric tonnes assuming no mass augmentation effect at c is 360e18 joules enough to crack a planet, take that warsies! ha ha!)

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Report this May. 08 2012, 8:40 pm

It's possible, but they calculate a safe course when they're inputing the destination, and there's probably an alarm or notice or something that lets them know if they're about to hit something so they'd have time to stop or change course.


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Report this May. 08 2012, 10:29 pm

Sensors can detect stuff light-years away, so I assume that random crashes are somewhat rare. If so, Reliant, why isn't war in Trek that much more destructive? There's probably some dumb technobabble explanation somewhere...


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Report this May. 09 2012, 1:01 am

I don't claim to know the logistics of this exactly but if "Warp" speed essentially involves folding space rather than going really really fast, then in a sense the objects that you might run into might not technically be "there" in your path, and you wouldn't run into them...? That's just me basically visualising the concept.


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Report this May. 09 2012, 6:48 am

@ Reliant Redshirt the only thing I recall about  tomorrow is yesterday is that Scotty (I suppose) came up with the idea of using the sun as a sling shot that returned Enterprise to the 60s. I had forgotten how they got there in the first place.


From the real world view, we cannot say if anything travelling beyond the speed of light would escape because nothing travels faster than light.  But I get your point, for the sake of the show the answer is yes a starship can escape a black hole.  By they way, what is the good of arguing anything to do with space travel from a Newtonian perspective? I ask only because I though that Newton's findings work fine on Earth but not in space. Hence the need for a different scientific apporach. Or am I missing something?


@ OtakuJo I've read about space folding, or the hypothesis that it would fold. I just cannot get my mind around it! The concept is too fantastic for me to. I mean, what happens to all the stars and novas and black holes and planets?


 


 


 


 

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Report this May. 09 2012, 10:05 am

I'm thinking that the ship's sensors would still be able to detect, identify and avoid any solid objects or anomalies.  Otherwise, why would they risk jumping to warp speed?


Personally, I think that traveling at warp speed might either cause the ship's matter to become less dense or cause the ship to jump into another (higher?) dimension.  If so, that might help them avoid bad spots in the road.


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Report this May. 21 2012, 1:26 pm

Quote: miklamar @ May. 09 2012, 10:05 am

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>Personally, I think that traveling at warp speed might either cause the ship's matter to become less dense or cause the ship to jump into another (higher?) dimension.  If so, that might help them avoid bad spots in the road.

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I thought it was something like that too


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