IDIC: Can we learn from Vulcan philosophy?

spydertrek

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Report this May. 01 2012, 10:00 am

I just posted something in the "Are Anti-Gay People Idiots" thread, and am sitting on my soapbox, FYI.


Yes, I believ that we CAN learn something from the Vulcans. IDIC is smart and logical.

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Report this May. 01 2012, 12:49 pm

I think IDIC means that we should keep our minds open to limitless creative possibilities and not say, "No, that can't be accomplished."


I had never interpreted that in interpersonal relationships before, but perhaps that is another possibility.


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

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Report this May. 01 2012, 5:52 pm

Depends on whether we have to suppress our emotions or not.


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Report this May. 01 2012, 9:17 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 01 2012, 5:52 pm

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>Depends on whether we have to suppress our emotions or not.

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If so, then absolutely, unequivically, no.


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spydertrek

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Report this May. 02 2012, 9:29 am

I don't think the IDIC philosophy has anything to do with repressing emotions; I believe that the philosophy should be applied, regardless of emotions.

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Report this May. 02 2012, 1:45 pm

It stands for 'infinite diversity in infinite combinations' and is the basis for Vulcan philosophy - the infinite number of variables present in the universe. (It has nothing to do with suppressing emotions, which is Kolinahr.)


The only three constants I can think of would be life, death, and change.


I think when you take idic into accout, you realize how amazing and precious each life is. Once that life is gone, the odds of that exact same life coming again is so astronomical as to say it will never come again, so all life should be valued for the uniqueness that is them and what they bring to the world.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 1:06 pm

Are there Federation and/or Vulcan taxes on Vulcan?  If so, then that would have to be added to "life, death and change."


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Report this May. 06 2012, 2:46 pm

  LoL. Change as in adaptation and growth, silly... 


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Report this May. 07 2012, 3:42 am

I don't know. Seems the Vulcans could learn a lot from us too. Remember, it was the human concept of bluffing, ala Poker, that saved the Enterprise on many occasions, where as the Vulcan chess-like logic couldn't save that entire ship of Vulcans that one time.


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Report this May. 07 2012, 9:21 am

True, but IDIC doesn't have much to do with logic (though the whole idea is logical). If it had been generally accepted before, then there would've been no slavery, Holocaust, Inquistion, 9/11 (unless you belive it's an inside job and not a terrorist attack) and a lot of things. Even today we can learn from it. We still don't accept many types of people. There are quite a few who can't accept Atheists or gays. If people accepted others, then perhaps Trayvon Martin would still be alive right now. Our fear and prejudices towards different people will be our undoing. Like in "Let This Be Your Last Battlefield". Belle and Lokai' planet had been destroyed due to racism. Things like this shouldn't happen to us. So, we can learn and apply IDIC to our lives, because it will make the world that much better.

spydertrek

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Report this May. 07 2012, 9:21 am

True, but IDIC doesn't have much to do with logic (though the whole idea is logical). If it had been generally accepted before, then there would've been no slavery, Holocaust, Inquistion, 9/11 (unless you belive it's an inside job and not a terrorist attack) and a lot of things. Even today we can learn from it. We still don't accept many types of people. There are quite a few who can't accept Atheists or gays. If people accepted others, then perhaps Trayvon Martin would still be alive right now. Our fear and prejudices towards different people will be our undoing. Like in "Let This Be Your Last Battlefield". Belle and Lokai' planet had been destroyed due to racism. Things like this shouldn't happen to us. So, we can learn and apply IDIC to our lives, because it will make the world that much better.

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Report this May. 10 2012, 8:32 am

I think the main thing to learn from the vulcan philosophy is that it is NOT LOGICAL for humans to try and suppress their emotions

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