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May. 02 2012, 9:53 am
God created man for woman.
Actually, it's the other way around. Eve was created from Adam's rib to be a mate and helpmeet.
Even you knew this.
I know of the myth. Doesn't mean I believe in it. People like you think that two people were created from nothing, then perpetuated the entire species of man, despite all the evidence to the contrary. Believing in fantasies of this magnitude in the face of scientific fact is a pretty good indicator of a severe mental disorder.
Adam and Eve (not Adam & Steve)...
Every time I hear a religious lunatic say this I think of some unfunny @$$hole who laughs at his own jokes.
...long predates Egyptians and Chinese.
Ur kidding, right? The hebrew calendar is currently in the year 5772, which places Adam and Eve at about 3760 BTTCWSB (before the time Christ was supposedly born). That is two millennia and change after the Neolithic period in ancient China and ~27,000 years after the Late Paleolithic period in prehistoric egypt.
If you had actually read the Bible, it talks about marriage - always between a man and woman.
Nice way to evade the question. In what part of the Bible does God supposedly create the institution of marriage? You can't answer that because the answer isn't there.
You will find no references to God telling Joseph to take Larry has his spouse.
It's far more likely that Joseph knocked up a woman and then claimed she was his wife because sex outside of marriage had the same weight as adultery, meaning they would both be stoned to death if anyone found out.
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May. 02 2012, 10:18 am
...When He changes the formula.... which He won't....
You obviously have no grasp of the many changes between marriage nowadays and marriage in the Old Testament. Let me throw you a bone...A married woman's behavior was extremely limited in biblical times, much in the same way as the women of Afghanistan during the recent Taliban oppression of today. Examples include:
-Married women were not allowed to leave the home of their husband, without permission.
-They were normally restricted to roles of little or no authority.
-They could not testify to a court or judge.
-They could not appear in public forums or venues.
-They were not allowed to talk to strangers.
-Women were considered the equivalent of property.
With few exceptions, most of these limitations on women are gone because of the demands of a modern, civilized society that no longer obeys the outdated edicts of a book of fairy tales written by a bunch of primitive savages who found murder preferable to sodomy.
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May. 02 2012, 10:26 am
You will NEVER convince them and they will NEVER convince you, so the whole point of these discussions (at least as a moral issue) is a waste of time, at best, and creates further hatred from both sides, at worst.
I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, (though if they are swayed by my words, all the better), I'm here to rebut idiotic statements from evangelical whack jobs, poke holes in their stupid arguments and heap scorn and ridicule upon them for their prejudiced and bigoted attitudes.
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May. 02 2012, 10:46 am
But people who believe that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible have a strong basis.
I wouldn't call a belief in the Bible as the literal word of God a very strong basis. The passages in question were written by men, not God...or Jesus who never spoke directly on the matter, not even once. Furthermore, context and translation is lost on these mentally ill people.
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May. 02 2012, 12:13 pm
I have no idea on how to post pictures. So You will just get a link
King, here's the syntax, replace the question marks with < and >:
?img src="http://www.yourimagehost.com/folder/filename.jpg"?
I do mine without quotation marks and it seems to work that way also. Also, pics linked directly from the web have a tendency to break, so it's better to use a pichost like imageshack or photobucket plus you're not stealing other ppl's bandwidth.
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May. 02 2012, 2:39 pm
Quote: ___Lucifer___ @ May. 02 2012, 9:29 am | >Ah, yes, the whole "Love the sinner, hate the sin" mantra... Don't you just love biblical revisionists? |
Would you care to prove that it's "revisionist"?
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May. 02 2012, 2:50 pm
Quote: wissa @ May. 02 2012, 9:32 am | >
>and I am pointing out the absurdity of claiming "the bible says so" as some sort of logical argument. It is absurd to say people must do as your religion says it should when clearly many people do not follow your religion.
>it is also absurd the amount of importance some chrisians place on homosexuality when it was never mentioned by jesus and is only lightly referenced in the rest of the bible. In face not all christians even have a problem with it. But to hear some talk, it was the only thing the bible said.
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There are some absolutes in this universe. I know... people don't want to hear or believe it, but there are. God set up the rules and we either abide by them or done. Either way, there are conseqences.
"lightly mentioned"??? So that just makes ignoring it completely okay? Sounds like the people that say lying is okay.... "It was only mentioned once in the Ten Commandments and that was old testament....." 
Just because people hate what the Bible has to say because they disagree with the very premise of it doesn't make it untrue. It's just sad that people think that they're just so smart nowadays that they can just ignore the fundamental laws of nature which God established.
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May. 02 2012, 3:00 pm
I don't "hate" what the bible says. I agree with a lot of it. However, there are a lot of things mentioned in the bible that are no longer done. What makes this so important? if it was, why didn't his apostles mention it when they wrote their testaments?
and no, no single religion is a universal truth. How arrogant of you to think it is. Arrogance is still a sin isn't it?
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May. 02 2012, 3:02 pm
Quote: ___Lucifer___ @ May. 02 2012, 10:18 am | >
> ...When He changes the formula.... which He won't....
>You obviously have no grasp of the many changes between marriage nowadays and marriage in the Old Testament. Let me throw you a bone...A married woman's behavior was extremely limited in biblical times, much in the same way as the women of Afghanistan during the recent Taliban oppression of today. Examples include:
>-Married women were not allowed to leave the home of their husband, without permission.
>-They were normally restricted to roles of little or no authority.
>-They could not testify to a court or judge.
>-They could not appear in public forums or venues.
>-They were not allowed to talk to strangers.
>-Women were considered the equivalent of property.
>With few exceptions, most of these limitations on women are gone because of the demands of a modern, civilized society that no longer obeys the outdated edicts of a book of fairy tales written by a bunch of primitive savages who found murder preferable to sodomy.
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You might want to read Proverbs 31...
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May. 02 2012, 3:05 pm
Quote: wissa @ May. 02 2012, 3:00 pm | >
>I don't "hate" what the bible says. I agree with a lot of it. However, there are a lot of things mentioned in the bible that are no longer done. What makes this so important? if it was, why didn't his apostles mention it when they wrote their testaments?
>and no, no single religion is a universal truth. How arrogant of you to think it is. Arrogance is still a sin isn't it?
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"no single religion is a universal truth."... If someone didn't believe that their religion is the 'universal truth', then they don't really believe in their religion, do they?
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May. 02 2012, 3:08 pm
they can stop being delusional and notice the fact that millions of good people are of different faiths.
love the way you ignore the rest of the post
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May. 02 2012, 3:27 pm
Quote: wissa @ May. 02 2012, 3:08 pm | >
>they can stop being delusional and notice the fact that millions of good people are of different faiths.
>love the way you ignore the rest of the post
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Delusional to believe that says that God is the only God? Ignoring that would be delusional.... If someone said that they were a Christian, but didn't actually believe in the Bible or Christ or God, what does that make them?
No, I didn't ignore it, I had already addressed it in another post and saw no reason to repeat myself.
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May. 02 2012, 3:40 pm
If they're not hurting anyone, who are we to tell them how to live? Who are we to not give them a job merely because of who they love?
'Boundaries don't keep other people out, they fence you in. Life is messy, that's how we're made. So you can waste your life drawing lines or you can live your life crossing them. But there are some lines that are way too dangerous to cross. Here's what I know. If you're willing to throw caution to the wind and take a chance, the view from the other side... is spectacular.'
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May. 02 2012, 3:58 pm
Would you care to prove that ["Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin" is] "revisionist"?
Nowhere does the idea of "love the sinner, hate the sin (LTS/HTS) appear in scripture. As I already explained earlier, there was no "Love the Sinner hate the unclean meat because it comes from an aninal with a split hoof" or "Love the Sinner, hate the adultery." People committed a transgression of one of over 600 rules that make little to no sense today and were often stoned to death for it. LTS/HTS was not a concept practiced in biblical times. Even Jesus Christ himself never uttered those words.
It wasn't until St. Augustine wrote letter 211 to the nuns at Hippo, circa 423 AD, which contains the phrase Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum, which translates roughly as "With love for mankind and hatred of sins."The phrase has become more famously expressed as "Love the sinner but hate the sin" or "Hate the sin and not the sinner" (the latter form appears in Gandhi's 1929 autobiography).
LTS/HTS gained popularity once again in the 1990's as a popular slogan when Christian religions began to rally against homosexuals and later same-sex marriage. LTS/HTS is a convenient way to reconcile the conflict between the teachings of Jesus and bigoted attitudes towards gays. Because few people have a higher capacity for self-deception (a classic sign of soiciopathy) than a well-conditioned, obiedient, religious fanatic.
I dislike this catchphrase more than any other I hear fundies spout off. They say it so piously and yet they have no frakking idea what they are talking about. Because you cannot hate someone and love someone at the same time. It is that bitter and sweet water that shouldn't flow from the same fountain that James 3:10 talks about. You may say you love someone but your actions, your motives and your feelings are the bitter or sweet water (blessing and cursing) that prove your words.
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May. 02 2012, 3:59 pm
That's a good, very good point. TPATPAM.
'Boundaries don't keep other people out, they fence you in. Life is messy, that's how we're made. So you can waste your life drawing lines or you can live your life crossing them. But there are some lines that are way too dangerous to cross. Here's what I know. If you're willing to throw caution to the wind and take a chance, the view from the other side... is spectacular.'
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