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___Lucifer___

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Report this May. 02 2012, 6:26 pm

"Jesus helps those that help themselves"


This of course is another line that appears nowhere in the Bible and was ripped off from another source, namely Aesop's Fables. Surprise, surprise, appropriating the works of others and passing it off as their own is nothing new to Christianity...it's a well known fact that the Catholics adopted local pagan deities as saints and their holidays as Christian ones.


 

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Report this May. 02 2012, 6:33 pm

Maybe the Holy Trinity is like Prisoner Zero from Doctor Who:



 


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Report this May. 02 2012, 11:05 pm

Quote: ___Lucifer___ @ May. 02 2012, 6:19 pm

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>God is the only God...

>There's only one God. And his son Jesus. And the Holy Ghost. That makes three Gods. But they're really one. Even though they're distinct and separate beings with three separate forms. Which are really all one and the same. Yet different. You can't pray or worship any other God but God. And Jesus. And the Holy Ghost. They're part of God. Even though God is perfect and has no need for separate parts he has three parts which make up one and only one. God won't save you, that's on Jesus. Who's really God. But he's God's son too, except God didn't make Mary pregnant by a miracle, God sent the Holy Ghost to do that. So Jesus is also the son of the Holy Ghost. But theyre all really God. Yet not.

>For the love of Davros, even the Holy Trinity concept is the product of madmen. 1+1+1 = 1? Seriously, what the hell were they smoking at the Council of Nicea?

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Was that really necessary? It might not make sense to you, but do you have to tear it down like that?


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Report this May. 02 2012, 11:16 pm

And when you see such discrimination, most of the time the person doing the discriminating is portrayed in a negative light or they grow as a person and overcome such prejudice.


If so, then you watch Star Trek through a heavily filtered visor. You assign a negative context to discrimination when it can also exist in a positive context.  Discriminating is simply the act of making distinctions amongst individuals, groups, etc... and it is therefore integral to the learning experience. You can't properly serve individuals in a restaurant without discriminating orders, otherwise you wouldn't necessarily be serving an individual his specific order. Do you let random strangers into your house? It's common policy for individuals to discriminate against strangers by denying them immediate access to our private dwellings and choosing instead to familize with people in places that are not as personal as our house.


Star Trek, at its core, advocates personal liberty and individualism. Discrimination is a fundamental aspect to individualism, because it is the process by which we learn to separate individuals from groups, as opposed to broadly offensive generalizations, and base opinions by concrete experiences.


He (Archer) eventually bonded with T'Pol and helped strengthen diplomatic relations with them, culminating in Vulcan being one of the founding worlds of the UFP.


Archer was also responsible for calling out the Vulcan High Command when it violated a treaty with the Andorians - spying on the Andorians from the P'Jem Sanctuary. Archer therefore discriminated the truth, as told by the Andorians, from the lies, as told by some of the Vulcans.


During the events of "The Forge", "Awakening", "Kir'Shara", Archer learned to how to discriminate the Syrannites from those running the Vulcan High Command. Had Archer not discriminated, he would've fallen for the propaganda espoused by V'Las, and Vulcan may have continued its aggressive foreign policy, instigating war with the Andorians.... possibly Earth after that. Where would the Federation be then? It was Archer's ability to discriminate that led him to a proper understanding of Surak's teachings and by extension the Syrannites.


Kirk realized and overcame his prejudices in Star Trek VI.


Don't confuse discrimination with prejudice. Discrimination, as mentioned above, is the act of distinguishing... whereas prejudice relates to opinions formed superficially, having none or little basis in concrete knowledge, experience, or facts. Kirk actually learned that he needed to be more discriminating with regards to Klingons, judging them by individual merit as opposed to his bad habit of generalizing all Klingons.


Everyone stereotypes the Ferengi as greedy, cutthroat, unscrupulous, etc. Well..it's not a stereotype if it's true.


Riker's discriminations were based on experience with individual Ferengi, as he had a courteous relationship with Quark in "Firstborn".


O'Brien wasn't using "wormhole aliens" as a perjorative term...they were in fact ALIENS living inside the wormhole. While I don't think he was a believer, I don't recall him belittling the Bajorans for their faith.


Thank you for proving my very point. I never said O'Brien used "wormhole aliens" as a pejorative term, but rather as a descriptive term. You're automatically engaging in discrimination if you're describing something.

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Report this May. 03 2012, 12:00 am

If so, then you watch Star Trek through a heavily filtered visor.


I do not, I got me some of those optical implants because I got tired of people frakkin with my VISOR. 


You assign a negative context to discrimination when it can also exist in a positive context....


 You're right....Like others in this thread and elsewhere I've fallen trap to using the term discrimination when I really mean prejudice or bigotry.




 


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Report this May. 03 2012, 1:00 am

Was that really necessary?


Yes. I've always said "If you eat poison, don't forget to lick the dish." Which means if you're going to do something, don't do it half-assed.


It might not make sense to you, but do you have to tear it down like that?


That was a direct rebuttal to the notion that "God is the only God." And considering that the people who came up with the whole Trinity concept in the first place were a bunch of primitive savages who believed in invisible sky pixies, the end result of all of their different interpretations and bastardizations truly deserves to be mocked for the stupid idea it is.


I also pointed out that Satan is also a God and bears all the classic earmarks of a divine being. Of course this drives fundies into full blown rabies mode, something which amuses me to no end.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 5:10 am

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>Bam_Bam: True, but it is wrong. Who is hired or fired should be based on skillfulness at that particular job. 
For many jobs, that's true, but for certain jobs, there are other qualifications.  Why should a church be force to hire an athiest as a pastor?  Morals/beliefs are paramount in many organizations.

Of course, an atheist wouldn't be best qualified.

Depends on what you consider "qualifications"... an athiest could know the Bible better and be a better speaker than one that actually believes... but one of the qualifications is to believe.  Same with the BSA - they have certain standards.

Okay so we agree that they have the right to set those qualifications.. But what I'm asking is should they have that right?

And should gays be allowed to get married?

Like I said - God designed marriage.  When He changes the formula.... which He won't....


But remember, not everyone believes in the christian god.



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Report this May. 03 2012, 5:12 am


"In a previous post, I counted the number of people that were killed by God in the Bible. I came up with 2,476,633, which, of course, greatly underestimates God's total death toll, since it only includes those killings for which specific numbers are given. No attempt was made to include the victims of Noah's flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, or the many plagues, famines, fiery serpents, etc., with which the good book is filled. Still, 2 million is a respectable number even for world class killers."


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Report this May. 03 2012, 5:54 am

Lucifer: That was a direct rebuttal to the notion that "God is the only God." And considering that the people who came up with the whole Trinity concept in the first place were a bunch of primitive savages who believed in invisible sky pixies, the end result of all of their different interpretations and bastardizations truly deserves to be mocked for the stupid idea it is.


caltrek:  From a certain perspective all that you have said may very well be true. Still, one thing is left unexplained. Why did it have such a powerful affect on people, this strange Christian way of looking at things?


Why did the arguments, debates, and energy that went into developing the concept of the trinity have such a mesmerizing affect on people?


Being essentially a non-beleiver, I am as willing to bash religion, including Christianity, as much as the next non-beleiver. Still, I have to wonder how is it that those "primitive savages" come up with an idea that captures the imagination of so many people today in the modern world?   What problem was the idea of a holy trinity trying to solve? What constructive lessons, if any, can be gained from that notion? Why is the father the son and the holy ghost considered both as separate and as one in the same?


One idea that many Christians hold is that the church represents the feminine. Which leads me to the idea that the church gave birth to Jesus. So we have God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy (maternal?) Spirit...all merged into one. This theme of a drive toward unity keeps coming up. People want or need to feel a part of something bigger than themselves. So the notion of accessing God through Christ and the Church has great appeal. Communion.


 

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Report this May. 03 2012, 6:29 am

Quote: the bungalo bill @ May. 03 2012, 5:10 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ May. 02 2012, 8:39 am

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Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ May. 01 2012, 7:16 pm

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Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ May. 01 2012, 5:43 pm

Quote: the bungalo bill @ May. 01 2012, 3:08 pm

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>Bam_Bam: True, but it is wrong. Who is hired or fired should be based on skillfulness at that particular job. 
For many jobs, that's true, but for certain jobs, there are other qualifications.  Why should a church be force to hire an athiest as a pastor?  Morals/beliefs are paramount in many organizations.

Of course, an atheist wouldn't be best qualified.

Depends on what you consider "qualifications"... an athiest could know the Bible better and be a better speaker than one that actually believes... but one of the qualifications is to believe.  Same with the BSA - they have certain standards.

Okay so we agree that they have the right to set those qualifications.. But what I'm asking is should they have that right?

And should gays be allowed to get married?

Like I said - God designed marriage.  When He changes the formula.... which He won't....

But remember, not everyone believes in the christian god.

There's people that don't believe the world is round either.   Just because they don't believe in God doesn't make Him not exist.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 6:55 am

your believing in him with all your heart doesn't make him exist either.  That's a ship that sails both ways. 


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Report this May. 03 2012, 7:05 am

Quote: wissa @ May. 03 2012, 6:55 am

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>your believing in him with all your heart doesn't make him exist either.  That's a ship that sails both ways. 

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Correct - whether someone believes that God exists or doesn't doesn't change the fact of God's existance.  God existed long before He created man.  I just prefer to be correct and factual - hence my acknowledgement of God.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 7:09 am

"The wife of a North Carolina state senator reportedly told poll workers during early voting Monday that an amendment sponsored by her husband was intended partially to protect the Caucasian race.


Jodie Brunstetter is the wife of state Sen. Peter Brunstetter (R), a supporter of Amendment 1, which would change North Carolina's Constitution to permit only heterosexual marriage."


 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/north-carolina-gay-marriage-amendment-1_n_1470956.html?ref=mostpopular


 


 


  there you go.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 7:11 am

"Correct - whether someone believes that God exists or doesn't doesn't change the fact of God's existance.  God existed long before He created man.  I just prefer to be correct and factual - hence my acknowledgement of God."


your arguments are starting to sound like dammitjim's.  Other people are arguing your point so much more effectively you should consider just letting them do it. 

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Report this May. 03 2012, 7:14 am

Religion shouldn't even factor into it. It's a personal choice and if God does exist then surely it would be for him to judge not any of us.


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