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Are anti gay rights people idiots?

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the bungalo bill

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 6:42 pm

Not to offend anyone, but I say yes.

I was reading in the newspaper the other day that there was this mother who was a leader in a local boy scout troop. She was respected by her peers. The only problem was she was a lesbian. No one had ever complained, and she never tried to project her views onto the children. Yet when some people above the troop found out, they made her resign. As part of there "morally straight" policy, gays and atheists aren't allowed. This was supported by a Supreme Court decision. What idiots. What makes them think they have a right to decide what is "morally straight?" Especially when the person in question was just someone trying to help out.

It's called discrimination. The sad thing is that some antigay teachers will go to school and teach about the horrors of slavery and before the civil rights movement when they discriminate against a minority group because they are different them them self. The Supreme Court needs to rule gay discrimination as unconstitutional.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 6:55 pm

It's aprivateorganization that was built on religious views.


And discrimination is absolutely Constitutional - it's part of a person having a viewpoint.  I discriminate against other politicians when I vote for another.   I discriminate against against one restaurant when I go to another.  How many paraplegic do you see playing in the NBA/NFL/NBA/NHL?


But it's interesting that you consider it wrong to say that homosexuality is wrong, which saying that religion is wrong....


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 7:49 pm

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> Uh...Religion is wrong. As I pointed out before, religion says a lot of crazy things.

>Discriminition is constitutional? So I can decide not to hire an asian guy on the basis that he is asian? Kicking someone out of a group because of race,religion or sexual orientation is wrong.Plain and simple.

>Are anti-gay people idiots? If closed minded bigots are idiots then....well.

>Oh and show me a parapalegic that can play at the same leval as NBA\NFL\NHL player.

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By saying that "Religion is wrong", you're discriminating... your own words.


The point is, we all discriminate at some level all the time.  By picking the best professional athlete, we discriminate against the lesser ones.


And yes, I believe that any private organization has the right to discriminate any way that they want to.  I've been discriminated against multiple times by companies because I was a white guy, and I believe that's their right - they just lost out when they decided to hire a less qualified person.


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 8:26 pm

Misinformed, yes. Possibly even led by idiots. But call me an eternal optimist -- some may have the brains to change their ways. (Even if it comes a close personal experience such as a loved one coming out.)


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 8:32 pm

Go to sleep you guys you think to muchh...


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Im a boy..

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 9:05 pm


 Uh...Religion is wrong. As I pointed out before, religion says a lot of crazy things.


Discriminition is constitutional? So I can decide not to hire an asian guy on the basis that he is asian? Kicking someone out of a group because of race,religion or sexual orientation is wrong.Plain and simple.


Are anti-gay people idiots? If closed minded bigots are idiots then....well.


Oh and show me a parapalegic that can play at the same leval as NBA\NFL\NHL player



resistance, BamBam is right on this point. Private organizations on private properties have a right to discriminate. Situationally, it's no different when I discriminate friends from strangers by permitting one to enter my house while denying the other entry. The problem in the U.S. is that the courts have divided liberty into two types - personal civil liberties and economic liberties. Yet in reality, personal civil liberties are expressed through the economy and are therefore economic liberties. Though artificially divided, there is truly and only one type of liberty. But the government uses this artificial declaration to divide society into groups and create animousity amongst them in order to foster violence and perpetuate the "need" for government.


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 9:43 pm

You may have the legal right to not hire a black guy because he is black but that don't make it morally right.



I'm not saying that discriminating against the color of an individual's skin is morally right, only that individuals have a right to interact with others based on personal choice and volunteerism. Otherwise, the government steps in and forces an interaction, which is not voluntary and violence results over the long-term. Additionally, it is not any better - on a moral basis - to force interactions, whether it be hiring individuals based on the color of their skin, sexual orientation, or meeting artificial quotas. Ideally, individuals should be hired based on their productivity and all interactions should be voluntary.

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 10:05 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ Apr. 30 2012, 8:26 pm

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>Misinformed, yes. Possibly even led by idiots. But call me an eternal optimist -- some may have the brains to change their ways. (Even if it comes a close personal experience such as a loved one coming out.)

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QFT.


 


People have a right to not accept it, just like not wanting to eat peas. Where it becomes intrusive is when there is discrimination to the a person, in regards to employmet and pay, etc; 


Homosexuality is like any other religion, it is not always endorsed or supported, and so people have their right in regards to this, like anything else, it is their 'choice.'


It's strange, being a catalyst for things that move outside.

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 10:08 pm

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>Religion is not a person.Can i really discriminate against something that is not a person.
Absolutely - you already are.  Just like people discriminate against other things.  Discriminating against one person because of a behavior is no different than discriminating against another.


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 10:11 pm

Quote: /view_profile/ @

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> Uh...Religion is wrong. As I pointed out before, religion says a lot of crazy things.

>Discriminition is constitutional? So I can decide not to hire an asian guy on the basis that he is asian? Kicking someone out of a group because of race,religion or sexual orientation is wrong.Plain and simple.

>Are anti-gay people idiots? If closed minded bigots are idiots then....well.

>Oh and show me a parapalegic that can play at the same leval as NBA\NFL\NHL player.

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Everyone is 'religious,' so where does that leave you?


It's strange, being a catalyst for things that move outside.

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 11:26 pm

If you are referring to people who hate gays or are you talking about people who disagree with homosexuality but just respects them as human beings?

OMG when my friend and I were on campus last friday there was this Baptist preacher who is a sophomore student at my university and he was preaching that masterbation makes one turn gay and that girls that wear pants and wear sex shorts (whatever the heck that's suppose to mean huh.gif)are lesbians lmao.gif !!

Once we heard him say those things we were cracking up like no tomorrow. First of all masterbation doesn't turn somebody gay because it is only a sexual response to something that one finds sexually arousing. Seriously even straight guys masterbate while watching porn and that's suppose to turn them gay? However I do agree that masterbation is wrong because it is disrespecting/degrading one's own body that God created. IK there's people that believe it's not wrong because they believe it feels good.  But that's just my personal belief...............................

Another thing it's wrong to put stereotypes or labels on people because not everyone acts or portrays the stereotype despite that they are the subject/victim of being stereotyped. I wear pants everyday and I'm not a lesbian. I'm straight!! Even a lesbian can be the most girlish person and not necessarily portray the tom-boy stereotype like how that preacher was portraying them as.


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Report this May. 01 2012, 12:17 am

In a perfect world, gay rights would be a non-issue -- because it would just be accepted like so many other things. However, we unfortunately do not live in that perfect world. A lot of the old laws relating to homosexuality could well be akin to legislated bullying. I am sorry I can't be more specific as the law (obviously) varies so greatly from place to place -- but I have given examples elsewhere on similar threads.


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Report this May. 01 2012, 1:45 am

They should just be treated the same as everyone else. Because they are. You wouldn't fire a person for being muslim, or jewish or indeed christian.


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Report this May. 01 2012, 4:28 am

If people have the right to discriminate, then I have the right to disciminate against somebody who discriminates against gays.


If freedom of religion protects somebody who discriminates against gays, then perhaps that form of discrimination should be allowed on the grounds that government should not discriminate against a particular religion.


That does not mean that discrimination in other venues is appropriate. Government should not discriminate against gays in its hiring practices. Arguing from religious freedom that government employees should have the "right" to discriminate on that basis is to favor one religion, a religion that favors such discrimination, over another, one that does not discriminate against gays. This, at the expense of gays.


If the Constitution does not other wise protect the rights of gays, it also does not specifically allow discrimination against gays. So, such a discrimination is a matter of policy. If the majority of us choose to support government policies that prohibit discrimination against gays, we are within are democratic rights to do so. If that makes it a political issue than so be it.


From that perspective, it is those that insist on the right to discriminate against gays that make it a government issue. Governments then have to respond with policies that either support, are nuetral, or oppose such discrimination. Were there no right to discriminate being asserted, there would be no issue. Further, it is those who insist on the right to discriminate who are creating the wedge issue. Gays want only to live without having to suffer discrimination. It is unfair to whine and complain about their participation in the political process to assert such a right. The prevailing evidence is that most gays do not "choose" to be gay, but are stamped with the identity either as a genetic disposition, or as something that is more or less pre-ordained at a very early age. So to assert their right to be gay is simply to assert the right to be who they are, to merely exist.

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Report this May. 01 2012, 4:29 am

Yes. I would quote and agree but... as you know the quote button hates me and my web browser.


'Boundaries don't keep other people out, they fence you in. Life is messy, that's how we're made. So you can waste your life drawing lines or you can live your life crossing them. But there are some lines that are way too dangerous to cross. Here's what I know. If you're willing to throw caution to the wind and take a chance, the view from the other side... is spectacular.' musingsofastrugglingwaitress.wordpress.com

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