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Romulan Wars Movie?

Treknoir

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Report this May. 03 2012, 11:39 am

Quote: Vger23 @ May. 03 2012, 10:18 am

Quote: lostshaker @ May. 03 2012, 9:40 am

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>Exactly. There are plenty of reasons to watch episodes over again, and I'm sure a Romulan War show could be good. But not if it relied on the outcome of the war for suspense. It would have to be about good characters -- e.g. a single crew, perhaps not even involved in the biggest battles -- and how their lives are affected by the war. For a prequel like this, the question "Will the good guys win?" is not really a cliffhanger.

>Basically, it would have to be a character-driven story, and not one about the admirals and leaders and the big campaigns.

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Glad we're on the same page and I understand your previous answer more clearly. I view the Romulan Wars as a potential explanation for how so many things in Trek came to be... an example being Earth's economy and why/how humans claim to not use money. Could this have been a direct or indirect consequence of the war? Could the Romulans have infiltrated earth's governments and caused a financial crisis by monopolizing the money supply? If so, then perhaps humans reacted by stripping government of all powers concerning money. I've got a plethera of potential stories/questions in my head.

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I think a lot of you guys/gals miss one very critical and unshakable element when you're coming up with what you think a good movie or TV series might be:

Besides a few thousand fans like us who live and breath this stuff...who is going to give a rat's @$$ about most of this stuff?

The answer, of course, is virtually nobody. Part of what caused the Trek viewing audience to dwindle was Trek's increasing relaince and focus on in-universe backstory, canon, contiunuity, tie-ins, crossovers etc etc etc. It simply scared off / turned off any of the more casual fans or general viewers who don't care about trying to make Star Trek into a living, breating "real" universe.

So, all the things that you guys find appealing about a Romulan War movie or a 25th Century post-Nemesis TV series that is steeped in intergalactic politics is NOT something that the casual fan, potential new fan, or general audience member is going to want to engage in.

That's the fundamental "Star Trek Connundrum" right now. In order to bring new fans in, you need to $hitcan many of the things the existing fans seem to find fascinating (continuity, intricate politics / war stories, backstories, etc.) Given the directon (and results) of the last film, it's clear that the powers-that-be have made their choice, and it's NOT in this direction.

We can fantasize and wish and hope and dream all we want...but we're kidding ourselves if we think 95% of what comes up on this message board as "great ideas for a new series / movie" are actually do-able as anything other than a series of novels or comic books. It's just not realistic to expect a Romulan War prequel movie or a Post-Nemesis Intergalactic Politics television series. It's not going to happen guys. It's really not. The writing is all over the big white wall. The old, continuous, one-universe approach to Star Trek is over. It can't be brought back at this point, no matter how much the relatively small fanbase would like it. We need to start thinking (and expecting) differently if we want to be along for the future ride.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 2:17 pm

In order to bring new fans in, you need to $hitcan many of the things the existing fans seem to find fascinating (continuity, intricate politics / war stories, backstories, etc.) Given the directon (and results) of the last film, it's clear that the powers-that-be have made their choice, and it's NOT in this direction.


This discription properly describes Abrams' movie... it's the slut... it's the one you can go to with no committment. Thank you, Vger23, for giving me the unoffcial title (or as the case applies the backdoor title) of Abrams follow up: Sloppy Seconds. 


It's just not realistic to expect a Romulan War prequel movie or a Post-Nemesis Intergalactic Politics television series. It's not going to happen guys. It's really not.


No one has said it will or expects it to happen. The OP was asking for speculation on what could've have happened. In any case, since the Romulan Wars weren't directly shown, it remains a topic of open speculation and discussion for those wishing to participate.

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Report this May. 03 2012, 4:25 pm

I think a lot of you guys/gals miss one very critical and unshakable element when you're coming up with what you think a good movie or TV series might be:


 


Besides a few thousand fans like us who live and breath this stuff...who is going to give a rat's @$$ about most of this stuff?



The answer, of course, is virtually nobody.


 


You know I'm not so sure about that. There was enough interest for at least big-budget film and another on the way. And aside from the fact that it's ultimately fun to come up with possible scenarios -- even the ones that don't have a snowflake's hope in hell of getting produced -- there is a good chance that, when a series does come, it could very well be based on an obscure idea like this.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 6:10 pm

Quote: OtakuJo @ May. 03 2012, 4:25 pm

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>I think a lot of you guys/gals miss one very critical and unshakable element when you're coming up with what you think a good movie or TV series might be:

>Besides a few thousand fans like us who live and breath this stuff...who is going to give a rat's @$$ about most of this stuff?

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The answer, of course, is virtually nobody.

>You know I'm not so sure about that. There was enough interest for at least big-budget film and another on the way. And aside from the fact that it's ultimately fun to come up with possible scenarios -- even the ones that don't have a snowflake's hope in hell of getting produced -- there is a good chance that, when a series does come, it could very well be based on an obscure idea like this.

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Oh, I absolutely agree!! There is MOST DEFINITELY a CHANCE!


There's also a chance that my lawn will turn into a sea of snickers candy bars and the sun will turn purple on the same day that my dog wins the lottery. Not a very good chance at all...but CERTAINLY a CHANCE! ...AND, it's a fun scenario to talk about !!


I guess I make the obtuse and pig-headed mistake of assuming that when someone actually starts a thread titled (generically) "New Movie Idea" or "New TV Series Idea," that they actually want to discuss ideas that may realistically be plausable, marketable, and sutainable ideas in those specific mediums. I don't assume that they are just fantasizing about what would be a cool scenario to them. I guess if the threads were called "Amateur FanFiction Ideas," I'd be far less confused about the intent.


I have all kinds of nergasm fanwanky ideas too...I would just never ever confuse them for what Star Trek SHOULD be, nor would I ever confuse them as something that anyone besides myself and a few other people might actually find worthy of engagement.


Hopefully the reasons for my befuddlement are more clear now.



 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


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Report this May. 03 2012, 6:29 pm

Quote: lostshaker @ May. 03 2012, 2:17 pm

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>In order to bring new fans in, you need to $hitcan many of the things the existing fans seem to find fascinating (continuity, intricate politics / war stories, backstories, etc.) Given the directon (and results) of the last film, it's clear that the powers-that-be have made their choice, and it's NOT in this direction.

>This discription properly describes Abrams' movie... it's the slut... it's the one you can go to with no committment. Thank you, Vger23, for giving me the unoffcial title (or as the case applies the backdoor title) of Abrams follow up: Sloppy Seconds. 

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I actually have no idea what you're even talking about here.


But, what IS clear is that  you were either trying to be amusing or you're just a crude, insulting jerk.


Since it wasn't anywhere NEAR amusing, I'm assuming you're just being an angry jerk for some reason. 


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Report this May. 03 2012, 6:52 pm

Um, Vger...don't you think you're being a little bit harsh?


Nobody's saying a Romulan Wars series is going to happen, just that there's at least a slim possibility that it will. Basically, what you said a few paragraphs back.


People have been trying to say why they think it's possible, so I don't get what you meant by that "I guess I make the obtuse and pig-headed mistake" paragraph.


And I think lostshaker meant that you had supplied him with a mocking name for the second Abrams movie. He/she wasn't trying to insult you.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 7:51 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ May. 03 2012, 6:52 pm

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>Um, Vger...don't you think you're being a little bit harsh?

>Nobody's saying a Romulan Wars series is going to happen, just that there's at least a slim possibility that it will. Basically, what you said a few paragraphs back.

>People have been trying to say why they think it's possible, so I don't get what you meant by that "I guess I make the obtuse and pig-headed mistake" paragraph.

>And I think lostshaker meant that you had supplied him with a mocking name for the second Abrams movie. He/she wasn't trying to insult you.

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I think that was my entire point, Mitch. I was simply admitting my mistake in how I read some of these threads.


As for lotshaker, I wasn't saying he was insulting me. But, it was pretty rude / insulting to the creative team responsible for the new film series...and using the "slut" and "sloppy seconds" analogy was over-the-top. If he don't like it, then express that clearly. But don't act like the Tourette's is acting up again. Also, it was a BIT of a baiting tactic (thowing my own argument back in my face with considerable force) which, admittedly, I fell for.


 


Mitch, take a look at my post on the general board. I figured, since I've been criticizing every idea under the sun, I might as well lay it on the line and tell people what I actually think should be done.


 


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Report this May. 03 2012, 8:11 pm

Don't worry, Vger23.  I completely understand where you're coming from (and I'm afraid I may be the only one).


These "fanwanky" threads often get on my nerves, to be quite honest.


 


"Oh, wouldn't you like to see Romulan Wars followed up by Borg Wars?  And then maybe Data's daughter ('cause, don't ya know, Data hooked up with Seven of Nine and nanites helped conceive an android/Borg baby) could captain the Enterprise-M?  (Please note my detailed schematics!)  And then she could go back to the Delta Quadrant where Janeway is worshipped as a god.  And then they would definitely take part in Borg Wars 2.  And then they should just make movies of those DS9 relaunch books that feature a particularly excellent romance between Quark and Ro as well as finally showing that "counselor" Ezri should have been the captain of a starship all along!  The producers of Trek should really listen to our brilliance!!!  EVERYONE would watch this stuff!!!  Because it's just so awesome!!!"


 


Gotta love the "enthusiasm."  Ha.  But, sheesh...


 


Abrams' Star Trek was probably the absolute best thing that could have happened to the franchise.  And so many fans just don't seem to get it.


Oh well.



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Report this May. 03 2012, 8:59 pm

Guys I don't think that anyone really believes that everyone would watch what they are proposing, because the taste of fans is so divided that there really is so little chance that any new idea would please everyone. Including Abrams' movie of course. Imagine if someone had come to these boards with such an idea:


"I would love to see a movie where a mad vengeful Romulan comes back from the 25th century to an alternate universe, blows up Vulcan, and gets in a fight with Kirk and Spock while trying to blow up Earth. Man that would be so awesome and wouldn't everyone just love it to bits?"


Or Next Generation:


"Hey wouldn't it be cool if there was another Star Trek series set a century after all that stuff with Kirk, and if it had a stuffy old captain who likes Shakespeare, and a Klingon security officer, a mechanical science officer, a blind guy at the helm, and a telepathic counsellor and they went around the galaxy doing diplomatic missions all the time? Hey wouldn't that be cool?"


idunno I guess I prefer to consider these things on a case by case basis -- really think about the extent to which it might or might not work, and if I am to be ridiculed for that, so be it. It's not like I can't handle it.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 10:43 pm

A reboot of the original Trek was really the ONLY idea that could work.


Getting Lost's J.J. Abrams to direct?  And having the film turn out pretty damn great?  Well, that's why Trek fans should be grateful, regardless of their feelings about "alternate dimensions" or "pretty boys" or "too much action."


The plot, OtakuJo, mattered much less than just getting the project up-and-running.  I mean, the alternate universe idea was designed to appease the hardcore fans who wouldn't want to think that this new film trashed their beloved series; it certainly wasn't the idea from which all else sprang.


And just fyi, NextGen did meet with A LOT of skepticism when it originally aired.  News media and various forms of pop culture were taking aim at the spinoff from the start.  And from a personal standpoint, my family pretty much watched it on autopilot for the first few seasons.  Because we all really liked TOS.  We didn't become fans of TNG until well into the 3rd or 4th season.


But look, the films were a success at the box office, TOS was continuing to do wonders in syndication, and, therefore, another Trek series to run in syndication was simply going to happen.  And as TNG was the initial  spinoff, the ideas could afford to be a bit crazy ... as long as you had a captain, an Enterprise, and new worlds to explore.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 11:05 pm

The plot, OtakuJo, mattered much less than just getting the project up-and-running.  I mean, the alternate universe idea was designed to appease the hardcore fans who wouldn't want to think that this new film trashed their beloved series; it certainly wasn't the idea from which all else sprang.


Oh, I know and agree.


And I also know about the controversy surrounding TNG back in the '80s. And I really like both TNG and the new movie.


I was not truly bagging either of those plots. I was just using those as examples to illustrate a point -- which you've pretty much just made for me in the above post. Because that's the thing: Yeah this Romulan Wars idea might end up being stupid, but you just don't know. It sounds no less viable as an option than either of those two mock-pitches. Honestly it's one of the more attractive plot ideas that I have seen suggested on these boards.


In my own first post on page one of this thread, I did say: "I think it might be interesting but I can't see it generating enough of a following to interest a studio."


(Incidentally, TNG didn't get good until the 3rd or 4th season, either.)


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Report this May. 03 2012, 11:12 pm

In order for Trek to get back on the air again?  Two things are gonna have to happen:


1)  The new film series will first have to produce several (successful) films.


2)  The TV series will have to be based on a ship, a captain, and exploring new worlds ... with ZERO ties to previous continuity.


Count on it.


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Report this May. 03 2012, 11:14 pm

We'll see.........


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Report this May. 03 2012, 11:17 pm


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Report this May. 04 2012, 9:33 am

Perhaps there can be a Romulan Wars series with Archer or some other captain. If done right, it could be a good show that could explain a lot of things that Enterprise didn't.

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