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Romulan Wars Movie?

spydertrek

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 9:49 am

I heard somewhere that if Enterprise wasn't cancelled, it would've lead to the Romulan Wars. Now, as a series I'm not sure it'd be very long, but as a movie or two, maybe it could work.

Vger23

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 10:05 am

In my opinion, Star Trek isn't about war...and a Romulan War arc in a series or a Romulan War movie would not grab my attention at all.


 


Trek explored "war" once in DS9 already, and did a very good job of it in that context. No need to go back to that well.

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 12:48 pm

The Romulan Wars would've been cool to see on screen, but I think DS9 already used up most of the war stories in Trek. That, and the Xindi arc in season 3.


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 12:54 pm

If the story was good, the graphics epic, and the technobabble and sappy side stories were kept to a minimum, I would pay my money to watch such a movie. But that goes for any ST movie.


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Report this May. 01 2012, 12:35 am

I think it might be interesting but I can't see it generating enough of a following to interest a studio.


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Report this May. 01 2012, 6:46 am

I'd be cautiously interested in the Romulan Wars. As others have said, DS9 covered a lot of territory. In the context of the show, had it continued, I'd have preferred the Romulans working behind the scenes, such as secretly funding the terrorist group Terra Prime or - as was shown - being behind the Vulcan's aggressive foreign policy. The outright space battles could have been saved for a movie trilogy with Section 31, as a subplot, covering up any visual evidence of the Romulans.


Lately, I've been thinking Timothy Dalton would've made a great Romulan.

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Report this May. 01 2012, 6:51 am

That's a point Lostshaker -- the Romulans work best when they're scheming and engaged in verbal intrigue rather than in open warfare. Not that they aren't open to the idea.


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spydertrek

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Report this May. 01 2012, 9:24 am

As a series, I'm not sure it'd last very long, as it just covers a war. In my opinion, it'd work better as a movie, or movies. However, if they do it as a series, or as a CGI animated series as BorgLegacy said, it'd have the Clone Wars shadow behind it. It would better as movies in my opinion, as I said.

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Report this May. 01 2012, 7:59 pm

the Romulans work best when they're scheming and engaged in verbal intrigue rather than in open warfare. Not that they aren't open to the idea.



I like that description, OtakuJo. There are many possibilities to explore in addition to what has already been noted. The Romulan Wars certainly provide Starfleet the opportunity to build up its fleet... a plot being the construction or redesign (in following Martin & Mangles interpretation) of the Daedalus Class Starship. Starfleet would need resources thus prompting Archer and other crews to ignore the Vulcan's non-interference directive thereby off setting the adoption of what would become the Prime Directive. Perhaps Earth abandoning money was a consequence of the Earth-Romulan War? Oh I've probably spent too much time thinking of how the series could've continued.

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Report this May. 02 2012, 11:07 am

I already know how the Romulan War ends. For the story to be any good at all, the writers would have to find some other way to create suspense, which basically rules out climactic battles of the kind seen on DS9.


Also, from the descriptions we've heard, it doesn't sound like there were any climactic battles in the Romulan War, just skirmishes and general deadlock.

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Report this May. 02 2012, 1:53 pm

^ When you watched the Dominion War in DS9, did you ever have any doubt that the Dominion would eventually lose? If not, than you already knew the outcome (in a very basic form).


There are numerous questions that could be answered by a Romulan Wars show: Why did the Romulans have cloaks in ENT? Why did Spock think everyone used nuclear weapons? What is "Romii"? The list goes on and on.


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Report this May. 02 2012, 9:22 pm

Poonell, have you ever watched an episode of Star Trek twice? If so, why? As you already knew the story's outcome. But we don't necessarily know the outcome for the individual characters. There are a lot of missing details, especially when considering the presence of Section 31 that could've altered those details in the history books.

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Report this May. 03 2012, 7:48 am

Quote: lostshaker @ May. 02 2012, 9:22 pm

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>Poonell, have you ever watched an episode of Star Trek twice? If so, why? As you already knew the story's outcome. But we don't necessarily know the outcome for the individual characters. There are a lot of missing details, especially when considering the presence of Section 31 that could've altered those details in the history books.

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Exactly. There are plenty of reasons to watch episodes over again, and I'm sure a Romulan War show could be good. But not if it relied on the outcome of the war for suspense. It would have to be about good characters -- e.g. a single crew, perhaps not even involved in the biggest battles -- and how their lives are affected by the war. For a prequel like this, the question "Will the good guys win?" is not really a cliffhanger.


Basically, it would have to be a character-driven story, and not one about the admirals and leaders and the big campaigns.

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Report this May. 03 2012, 9:40 am

Exactly. There are plenty of reasons to watch episodes over again, and I'm sure a Romulan War show could be good. But not if it relied on the outcome of the war for suspense. It would have to be about good characters -- e.g. a single crew, perhaps not even involved in the biggest battles -- and how their lives are affected by the war. For a prequel like this, the question "Will the good guys win?" is not really a cliffhanger.


Basically, it would have to be a character-driven story, and not one about the admirals and leaders and the big campaigns.



Glad we're on the same page and I understand your previous answer more clearly. I view the Romulan Wars as a potential explanation for how so many things in Trek came to be... an example being Earth's economy and why/how humans claim to not use money. Could this have been a direct or indirect consequence of the war? Could the Romulans have infiltrated earth's governments and caused a financial crisis by monopolizing the money supply? If so, then perhaps humans reacted by stripping government of all powers concerning money. I've got a plethera of potential stories/questions in my head.

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Report this May. 03 2012, 10:18 am

Quote: lostshaker @ May. 03 2012, 9:40 am

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>Exactly. There are plenty of reasons to watch episodes over again, and I'm sure a Romulan War show could be good. But not if it relied on the outcome of the war for suspense. It would have to be about good characters -- e.g. a single crew, perhaps not even involved in the biggest battles -- and how their lives are affected by the war. For a prequel like this, the question "Will the good guys win?" is not really a cliffhanger.

>Basically, it would have to be a character-driven story, and not one about the admirals and leaders and the big campaigns.

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Glad we're on the same page and I understand your previous answer more clearly. I view the Romulan Wars as a potential explanation for how so many things in Trek came to be... an example being Earth's economy and why/how humans claim to not use money. Could this have been a direct or indirect consequence of the war? Could the Romulans have infiltrated earth's governments and caused a financial crisis by monopolizing the money supply? If so, then perhaps humans reacted by stripping government of all powers concerning money. I've got a plethera of potential stories/questions in my head.

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I think a lot of you guys/gals miss one very critical and unshakable element when you're coming up with what you think a good movie or TV series might be:


Besides a few thousand fans like us who live and breath this stuff...who is going to give a rat's @$$ about most of this stuff?


The answer, of course, is virtually nobody. Part of what caused the Trek viewing audience to dwindle was Trek's increasing relaince and focus on in-universe backstory, canon, contiunuity, tie-ins, crossovers etc etc etc. It simply scared off / turned off any of the more casual fans or general viewers who don't care about trying to make Star Trek into a living, breating "real" universe.


So, all the things that you guys find appealing about a Romulan War movie or a 25th Century post-Nemesis TV series that is steeped in intergalactic politics is NOT something that the casual fan, potential new fan, or general audience member is going to want to engage in.


That's the fundamental "Star Trek Connundrum" right now. In order to bring new fans in, you need to $hitcan many of the things the existing fans seem to find fascinating (continuity, intricate politics / war stories, backstories, etc.) Given the directon (and results) of the last film, it's clear that the powers-that-be have made their choice, and it's NOT in this direction.


We can fantasize and wish and hope and dream all we want...but we're kidding ourselves if we think 95% of what comes up on this message board as "great ideas for a new series / movie" are actually do-able as anything other than a series of novels or comic books. It's just not realistic to expect a Romulan War prequel movie or a Post-Nemesis Intergalactic Politics television series. It's not going to happen guys. It's really not. The writing is all over the big white wall. The old, continuous, one-universe approach to Star Trek is over. It can't be brought back at this point, no matter how much the relatively small fanbase would like it. We need to start thinking (and expecting) differently if we want to be along for the future ride.


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