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Apr. 25 2012, 6:10 pm
Quote: /view_profile/ @ | Quote: /view_profile/ @ | Like I wrote before.... each of us have weaknesses. I've never been tempted with homosexuality
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Perhaps not but then maybe you are not gay.
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I think I already made that apparent.... But for the areas that I do have problems, I don't force it on others all the time and expect them to disregard their own personal morals to give me preferential treatment.
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:12 pm
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> Is that why they're getting special treatment and trying to force churches to "marry" them?
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>Special treatment? Sorry. Where? And why shouldn't they be able to marry.
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Who says they need a church to marry them?
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:14 pm
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>When we disapprove of homosexuality we deter the young(who are gay) from being themselves and rob them of happiness and their sence of self worth. This is immoral. |
Disapproving of something immoral is immoral???
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I guess that depends on whether you consider homosexuality immoral or not. Homosexuality does no harm to you so I would say its not immoral. |
Just because something does no harm to someone else doesn't mean it isn't immoral. For example a man walking down the street naked does not harm anyone and yet it is considered immoral.
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:14 pm
They're not hurting anyone. Just give over. |
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:19 pm
Quote: /view_profile/ @ | >There are of course many people in this world that still hate others because of skin colour, religion etc. Then there are those that don't care about that kind of thing. Then there are those who claim to be enlightened but they hate homosexuals.(I have a homophobic friend and a homosexual friend. They are not friends with each other.) What's the problem? Why do people hate gays so much? Why do they feel the need to judge? I wonder if homophobes are unsure of their own sexuality and are projecting their self loathing on others for fear of being discovered and ridiculed. Surely this can't describe all homophobes. What are your thoughts on this? |
People don't "hate" gays anymore than any other group that is just a myth created by activist. Four of the largest religons on Earth(christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Hindu) have the stance that homosexuality is immoral.
My personal opinion is I don't care if you are not physically hurting someone enjoy spending time with the person you love.
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:19 pm
Quote: /view_profile/ @ | >There are of course many people in this world that still hate others because of skin colour, religion etc. Then there are those that don't care about that kind of thing. Then there are those who claim to be enlightened but they hate homosexuals.(I have a homophobic friend and a homosexual friend. They are not friends with each other.) What's the problem? Why do people hate gays so much? Why do they feel the need to judge? I wonder if homophobes are unsure of their own sexuality and are projecting their self loathing on others for fear of being discovered and ridiculed. Surely this can't describe all homophobes. What are your thoughts on this? |
People don't "hate" gays anymore than any other group that is just a myth created by activist. Four of the largest religons on Earth(christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Hindu) have the stance that homosexuality is immoral.
My personal opinion is I don't care. If you are not physically hurting someone enjoy spending time with the person you love.
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:19 pm
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>When we disapprove of homosexuality we deter the young(who are gay) from being themselves and rob them of happiness and their sence of self worth. This is immoral. |
Disapproving of something immoral is immoral???
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Who says its immoral. Aside from the bronze age texts that says a lot of crazy things are immoral. |
So... there's no such thing as morality in your view.... and all the laws, based on the Bible should be thrown out.....
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nope...dont recall saying that
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Okay ... you said "a lot of crazy things"....
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Yes I did. You have read the Bible right. If so you must be aware of the crazy things to which i'm refering.
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I'm sure that if I "read the Bible right" according to you, I'd come to believe that God doesn't exist or other such stuff...
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:21 pm
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>They're not hurting anyone. Just give over.
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That isn't relavent why do they need to force a church which finds their "choice" (in quotes because that is most churches opinon) immoral to marry them.
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:23 pm
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>They're not hurting anyone. Just give over.
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Some of use will never agree with sin.
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:26 pm
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>The most "famous" person that I know that escaped that lifestyle is a man named Dennis Jernigan. Look him up - he's quite the example and he openly talks about it.
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I know about this guy I think. If I remember right he is a christian musician? aparently he quit homosexuality some 20 years ago?
I figure one of three things happend here:
1. He was never gay.
2. He is bisexual.
3. HE is denying what he is so the church will accept him.
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Yes, he is now a Christian musician - some people call him the "Modern Day Psalmist."
All three of your possibilites are incorrect. Listen to his story.
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Apr. 25 2012, 6:28 pm
Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 25 2012, 2:54 pm | Quote: wissa @ Apr. 25 2012, 2:47 pm | >
>a person's sexual orientation is irrelevent to anyone they are not sleeping with. |
That's similar to saying that a thief robbing someone else's house is irrelevent to me...
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No it isn't dude as two consenting adults sleeping together harms no one where as a thief robbing some one deprives a person of their hard earned property. No one says you have to like it but you do have to accept some people do not have your same set of norms.
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Apr. 25 2012, 7:06 pm
Really? Where did God say that?
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Apr. 25 2012, 7:18 pm
Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Apr. 25 2012, 6:10 pm | Quote: /view_profile/ @ | Quote: /view_profile/ @ | Like I wrote before.... each of us have weaknesses. I've never been tempted with homosexuality
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Perhaps not but then maybe you are not gay.
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I think I already made that apparent.... But for the areas that I do have problems, I don't force it on others all the time and expect them to disregard their own personal morals to give me preferential treatment.
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Apr. 25 2012, 7:26 pm
Quote: /view_profile/ @ | As I asked before, you did actually read the bible? Right?
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You really want to get technical and argue this? OK, here goes.
Yes, in Exodus 35:2, verse three, it says "You shall not kindle a fire through your habitations on the Sabbath Day."
But do you know why?
In the original Hebrew, "kindle" means an all-consuming flame... a great roaring fire... which referred to the building of a fire for the tabernacle, large enough to work metal. Not a cooking fire, not a household-heating fire, but an industrial fire. Since the Sabbath is a "day of rest", there shouldn't be "work" fires made on such a day.
BUT- Jesus said in Mark 2:27, "Sabbath is made for man, not man for the sabbath"... in other words, He was saying that it is NOT a sin. The book of Exodus was written by a man... his words are but a guide, not a law. Only God's word is law in a religious context.
So, your example is a faulty one. Next?
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Apr. 25 2012, 7:26 pm
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That's similar to saying that a thief robbing someone else's house is irrelevent to me...
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No it isn't dude as two consenting adults sleeping together harms no one where as a thief robbing some one deprives a person of their hard earned property. No one says you have to like it but you do have to accept some people do not have your same set of norms.
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And this is where religion is often ignored by a lot of libertarians. While the "if it doesn't affect me" mindset applies to most of things, morality is something that is foundational in a free society.
There's a reason Adams once said, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." Liberty is God's idea, but to truly live that type of life, we must have a foundation of morality & religion. They are the building blocks of a family, which builds communities (and government.)
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