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bambam

"So... there's no such thing as morality in your view.... and all the laws, based on the Bible should be thrown out....."

of course there is morality.  But other than things that are actually against the law, we don't get to decide what is "moral" for other adults.  And I believe that laws should have more going for them than "they are in the bible' like maybe some sort of rational thought.  Your country was founded on freedom of religion remember? 

Is that why they're getting special treatment and trying to force churches to "marry" them?

Special treatment? Sorry. Where? And why shouldn't they be able to marry.

roboto

"It's not "his" corner. It's the "corner" of a system of belief and morals that has been in place for centuries. He just happens to follow that system. He didn't invent it. It's there. 

Again, on the other hand, I could say that it's "incredible arrogant" for you to tell me that what was once held as immoral is now perfectly moral."

It is also a system that I have no obligation to follow and you have no right to impose on me.  It's also a system of belief and "moral" that justified slavery, plural marriages, concubines, and all sorts of things we no longer practice.

Marriage is defined by God as one man and one woman.  If two men or two women (or whatever other variation they want to add) demand that a church "marry" them, that is a direct attack on the religion.

It can lead to discrimination, which is wrong, whatever you're basing it on. They're not really protected, and besides people don't throw stones at straight people.
If God exists, then he made them the way they are. We are told to love everyone. Why are they any different.

I also belong to a religion that regards homosexual acts as sinful but I've always had a problem with this doctrine for a reason.  Let us think back to the years immediately after puberty.  All our parents (and all parents) worried constantly for us because they knew the strength of the sex drive and if it's prematurely acted upon the profound implications on young people's lives.

That being demonstrably true then how to explain homosexuality?  Do we think that kids wake up one day and say "I know what will annoy Mom and Dad, I'll ignore the strongest force in nature and decide to like my same gender!"  Obviously not, the tendency is in-bred.  If so what does society say to the whatever % of our population is gay?  You must be celibate your entire life, or engage in sexual relations with a person you have no desire for in order to meet our approval, or religious doctrines?

Makes no sense to me.

Clarification - homosexual orientation is attraction to the same sex.  Homosexual activity is having sex with a person of the same gender.  There is not such thing as the 'homosexual lifestyle' any more than there is a 'heterosexual lifestyle'.

For those who think homosexuality is a moral weakness that can be resisted such as envy or gluttony.  Is that your personal experience?  Are you straight because you're 'resisting' the urge to have sex with the same gender.

As we have already said, there's huge difference between loving the person vs. the activity.  We can love a murderer, but not condone the activity.  We, as a society discriminate against activity all the time, and there are laws supporting that.... We discriminate against murder and theft and speeding, etc.  What's amazing is that a Christian in some places, they are forced to rent to non-married people even though they don't want to.

Discrimination. What part of that do you not understand?

The most "famous" person that I know that escaped that lifestyle is a man named Dennis Jernigan.  Look him up - he's quite the example and he openly talks about it.

You're ears burning??

I'm actually kinda sidetracked ...Right now, I'm playing STO, watching a documentary on the Muslim Brotherhood and watching a baseball game (BOS vs. MIN.)

And the only comparison is that both are acts.  People made a choice in both matters.