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Voyager movie?

voyagersborg47

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 7:19 pm

TOS and TNG got their share of movies. DS9 was just stupid. It's Voyager's turn to have a movie!!! J.J. Abrams did an excellent job with the '09 movie, and I expect him to do a good job on the '13 movie. Next, he needs to do a Voyager movie!!! With the original actors!!! No one else can play Captain/Admiral Janeway!!! Who agrees??


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Vger23

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 7:59 pm

I agree that the latest film was great...but we need a Voyager movie like we need a hole in the frigging head.


1. Nobody would go see it.


2. The cast would be too old / uninterested / unlikely to return


3. Nobody would go see it.


4. The story is over...Voyager got home.


5. Nobody would go see it.


6. Voyager and Enterprise barely qualified as well-received television series. Why would they make a multi-millon dollar feature film?


7. Nobody would go see it.


 


Sorry, I enjoy VOY as much as the next person...but just because movies were made for TNG and TOS, it doesn't entitle the other shows to motion pictures as well. It simply isn't going to happen.

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 8:43 pm

Pretty much agree with Vger. Not really anything else left to do with Voyager...their story's over.


I'd rather see either ENT revived (though the chances of that are basically zero) or a new series (preferably in the prime universe, but again...low chance, if any).


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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 6:22 am

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>Pretty much agree with Vger. Not really anything else left to do with Voyager...their story's over.

>I'd rather see either ENT revived (though the chances of that are basically zero) or a new series (preferably in the prime universe, but again...low chance, if any).

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Again, I think it would be NICE to have a VOY movie. I just think the liklihood is extremely limited based on market factors. If Nemesis and Insurrection didn't draw big crowds (with the admittedly more popular TNG cast), then a VOY movie 15 years later would have very little marketability.


I'm not so sure that the "prime universe" TV series is unlikely, Mitchz95...so don't give up hope. I'd view the potential for the basis for a new series to be equal among the following 3 possibilities:


 


1. A COMPLETE re-boot (similar to what BSG did) using the basic format and characters of the Original Series, but having no link or tie to the existing material at all. It would be "Star Trek" with Kirk and Spock...but completely re-imagined.


2. A series based somehow off the new universe established in the latest feature film, probably in the same timeframe, but with new characters and on a different ship.


3. A series in the prime universe set after the events of Star Trek Nemesis, with a new crew and a new ship / mission.


 


So, I think there's at least a 33% chance that they might do something in the orignal timeline. At this stage of the game...your guess is as good as mine...!


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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 9:58 am

When I think VOY movie I think "Return to Gilligan's Island"


 


Loved Voyager. Liked how it ended. I don't need any more stories.

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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 7:38 pm

It all depend what kind movie they going to make Voyager. How they going fit into main idea the show. You run into tons problem first Janeway Admiral and Kim a Caption the instead two of them return home. How they going crew member to gether again the same starships. Kind like last Voyager espidoe End of game destory any hope a Voyager movie. Fact is Jameway Admiral, Kim Caption and likely rest crew are Captions and Admirals.

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 5:17 am

I think of all the series, Voyager would be the one least suited to a movie. For one simple reason:


At the beginning, they aimed to get home.


At the end, they got home.


Story resolved.


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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 6:48 am

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>I think of all the series, Voyager would be the one least suited to a movie. For one simple reason:

>At the beginning, they aimed to get home.

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That's one of the main reasons you won't get a Voyager movie.

They ended it. They never should have done it knowing they made Star Trek movies.

 


I don't agree with this. At no time was the plan to have a movie franchise for each of the individual series. TOS only had a motion picture franchise because the show's popularity and impact didn't become clear until after the idiots at NBC cancelled it. The performance of the first 4 films (despite being critically mediocre, TMP did very well at the box office) guaranteed the continuation.


TNG got movies because it was a very successful television show in its own right, and it was clear after the box office and critical success of "Star Trek VI- The Undiscovered Country" (which ended the franchise with the complete original cast) that there was still an audience out there for Star Trek feature films. Unfortunately, what the TNG movie franchise proved was that Trek isn't an automatic guarantee at the box office like it was from 1979-1991. Sure, Generations did well in ticket sales, mainly based on the marketing novelty of Kirk and Picard meeting, but was admittedly not a very good film. First Contact did well because, let's face it, it had the Borg and was a tightly written story that had a similar mass-audience appeal as Star Trek IV and Star Trek 2009. But, the two movies they made that were truly stand-alone stories (no marketing gimmick or catch...just stories based on the show's characters and themes) did very poorly in all dimensions and didn't have nearly the cinematic punch, draw or charm of the original films.


So, the TNG movies were hit-or-miss at the box office and with the critics (mostly "miss"), and TNG was clearly a more popular and recognizable show than DS9 or Voyager. That basic formula led to the obvioius conclusion that there would be no further movies based on the other series. I don't think there was ever a thought or plan to have Voyager or Deep Space Nine motion pictures, and if there was a thought somewhere at Paramount, it died the moment Insurrection and Nemesis both failed on consecutive tries with a far more popular and marketable cast at the helm.


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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 7:33 am

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That's one of the main reasons you won't get a Voyager movie.

They ended it. They never should have done it knowing they made Star Trek movies.

 

I don't agree with this. At no time was the plan to have a movie franchise for each of the individual series. TOS only had a motion picture franchise because the show's popularity and impact didn't become clear until after the idiots at NBC cancelled it. The performance of the first 4 films (despite being critically mediocre, TMP did very well at the box office) guaranteed the continuation.

TNG got movies because it was a very successful television show in its own right, and it was clear after the box office and critical success of "Star Trek VI- The Undiscovered Country" (which ended the franchise with the complete original cast) that there was still an audience out there for Star Trek feature films. Unfortunately, what the TNG movie franchise proved was that Trek isn't an automatic guarantee at the box office like it was from 1979-1991. Sure, Generations did well in ticket sales, mainly based on the marketing novelty of Kirk and Picard meeting, but was admittedly not a very good film. First Contact did well because, let's face it, it had the Borg and was a tightly written story that had a similar mass-audience appeal as Star Trek IV and Star Trek 2009. But, the two movies they made that were truly stand-alone stories (no marketing gimmick or catch...just stories based on the show's characters and themes) did very poorly in all dimensions and didn't have nearly the cinematic punch, draw or charm of the original films.

So, the TNG movies were hit-or-miss at the box office and with the critics (mostly "miss"), and TNG was clearly a more popular and recognizable show than DS9 or Voyager. That basic formula led to the obvioius conclusion that there would be no further movies based on the other series. I don't think there was ever a thought or plan to have Voyager or Deep Space Nine motion pictures, and if there was a thought somewhere at Paramount, it died the moment Insurrection and Nemesis both failed on consecutive tries with a far more popular and marketable cast at the helm.

OK It may not be the 'main' reason but it is one of the reasons IMO.

You may be right about the popularity of Voyager and DS9 vs TNG but as the years go by the heart grows fonder. You never know what might tickle the fancy of movie execs at Paramount.

Both these series had 7 seasons so they must have had some fan base. So even given the remote possibility of a Voyager movie being deemed popular enough, its difficult for me as a fan to think of any reason for a movie. This is because they ended the story in the last episode. Unless they were just going to use the Voyager cast members in another role.

I am a TOS fan and it was finished at STVI for me. I was happy because the guys were getting too old or so I thought. 

However the Voyager crew are still young enough to make more movies or be involved in another TNG movie. Thats why they shouldn't have ended VOy or DS9 IMO even for the remote possibility.

 


I guess there was a weighting of risks that occurred as those series were winding down.


On the one hand, you can leave them open-ended and leave the remote possibility of a film follow-up, but risk not having closure to the series and the characters if nothing else materializes. On the other hand, you can conclude the story and feel good about having a series with closure, but you pretty much give up on the possibility of doing something meaningful if a movie franchise is being considered.


It sounds to me like they analyzed the risks and made what they thought was the most appropriate choice.


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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 8:44 am

I think good story telling requires a definitive beginning, middle, and yes, even though we may wish it never to happen...ending.


 


Like the title of the episode says "...all good things must come to an end."

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 4:34 pm

Yeah and here's the other thing: Leaving the series open-ended risks becoming too much like The Pretender.


Great series. Open ended (frustrating) ending. I remember being really happy hearing that there was a follow-up telemovie coming out, but after a while the post-series movies steadily declined in the quality of their storytelling. (#3 was quite contrived. Creepy island castles with ghosts and all, and Mr Raines' Darth-Vader "I am your father" twist with Miss Parker... It was stoo-pid)


For people who are still Voyager fans (I like it personally although have not seen it in a while.) you don't want it going down that path towards the end. Trust me. Even the occasional terrible episode is a better thing to have than too many endings.


 


"I suppose I may be in the minority here wishing that none of the series had had a wrap up."


I think in a way though SF, nobody really wants that moment when their favourite series ends and "oh bugger -- I've just seen all that there is." You're not alone. But Voyager at least was working towards something like a satisfactory conclusion. And you're right in that people who want more can always pick up a book, which can't be such a baaaaad thing now can it?



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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 8:09 pm

What's Voyager?

Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 8:15 pm

^ It's the fourth Star Trek series.


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Report this Apr. 27 2012, 7:11 am

I think a Voyager film could work. We'd need  a brand new species, maybe something with Section 31, Barclay, of course, maybe the Kazon or some Borg here and there, and a temporal anomaly that looks like a wormhole to the Delta Quadrant. Voyager would meet up with itself in the past and we have a total distater with the Krenim and future-Voyager sparks a Quadrant-wide war. Since they violated the Temporal Prime directive inadvertantly, they would have to fix it. Of course, that doesn't sound very cool, but I can't just come up with a totally awesome idea on cue.


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Report this Apr. 27 2012, 3:21 pm

I agree could work be have very good plot have some way all major stars can Caption and Admirals. Since Harry Kim gain rank Caption basic everyone on crew member have rank Caption and above. Maybe very important misson for crew USS Voyager like perhaps pervent Borg reactive in Borg Cube found disable but could rewoken. Send USS Voyager crew with one work steamline drive know risk they might get themselves lost have hard time get back home again. 

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