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Was Kirk's Enterprise the Federation Flagship

stovokor2000-A

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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 12:48 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Apr. 22 2012, 5:02 pm

> So, you were going to tell me that I'm wrong, were you not? I'm looking forward to that, ace.


I stand correctted on my spelling.............but you're use of the word is still n error.


As you pointed out the defintion of the word VARIOUS is..........


 Of an indefinite number greater than one. 


key word here being indefinite............as you stated, we only met 4 total Consitution-class starship commanders during the time of TOS. 3 were Captains [1 un-named] and 2 were Commodoors


So, since the definite number of known ships commanded by Commodoors stands at 2..............the use of the word various , in this context, is in error.


BTW,,I wasnt looking for a fight, or trying to be an ass, I was just trying to point out how much that word seemed tol be mis-used in this case.


Sorry if you took my words as insulting or a challenge.


 


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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 1:03 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Apr. 23 2012, 12:48 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Apr. 22 2012, 5:02 pm

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> So, you were going to tell me that I'm wrong, were you not? I'm looking forward to that, ace.

I stand correctted on my spelling.............but you're use of the word is still n error.

As you pointed out the defintion of the word VARIOUS is..........

 Of an indefinite number greater than one. 

key word here being indefinite............as you stated, we only met 4 total Consitution-class starship commanders during the time of TOS. 3 were Captains [1 un-named] and 2 were Commodoors

So, since the definite number of known ships commanded by Commodoors stands at 2..............the use of the word various , in this context, is in error.

BTW,,I wasnt looking for a fight, or trying to be an ass, I was just trying to point out how much that word seemed tol be mis-used in this case.

Sorry if you took my words as insulting or a challenge.

 


Understood and appreciated!


I think I am okay with using the word "various" based on the "indefinite" within the definition because, to your point, although we only know 5 ranks for sure, we know there's possibly 12 or 13 total Constitution-class starships in the fleet (based on Kirk's line to John Christopher in "Tomorrow is Yesterday")...so I figured that you can infer (admittedly not based on fact) that since 2 of those 5 are Commodores (40% of the known sample set), there are perhaps 2-3 more Commodores assigned to command those remaining ships. So, what I'm trying to say is that I purposefully used the word because we don't know for sure how many more Commodores, if any, there might be commanding Constitution-class starships.


So, I think based on what I was trying to communicate (albeit perhaps not clearly), I was using the term correctly.


Hopefully, that clears my intentions up.


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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 1:13 pm

yeah, its all kool bud


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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 5:30 pm

I like to think by the time that Star trek the motion pic came out, Kirk's ship was the flagship. As my fellow trekkies know, there many command symbols for each starship. It is the enterprise Delta that stood out from the rest and every starfleet officer wears it in some form. From TNG to VOY, it the one used. that's some honor. I understand that this might have something Gene or someone on his staff may have done, but I like to think that this is when Starfleet chose Kirk's ship as Starfleet's flagship.


 


 

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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 6:04 pm

Quote: BrotherofShran01 @ Apr. 23 2012, 5:30 pm

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>I like to think by the time that Star trek the motion pic came out, Kirk's ship was the flagship. As my fellow trekkies know, there many command symbols for each starship. It is the enterprise Delta that stood out from the rest and every starfleet officer wears it in some form. From TNG to VOY, it the one used. that's some honor. I understand that this might have something Gene or someone on his staff may have done, but I like to think that this is when Starfleet chose Kirk's ship as Starfleet's flagship.


 


I think that's a really good assumption! After all, at that time, the Enterprise refit was undoubtedly the pride of Starfleet. It was THE cutting-edge starship, and it was also returning from a historic 5-year mission.


Add that to the fact that Kirk was a flag officer and probably one of the most experienced commanding officers at that point.


Although it's never stated...I think it's a resonable assumption to make!


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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 6:34 pm

Quote: BrotherofShran01 @ Apr. 23 2012, 5:30 pm

>As my fellow trekkies know, there many command symbols for each starship.  


Correction.


Not all of the starships/bases had a different insignia patch.


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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 7:28 pm

I have agree no cannon evidence back claim USS Enterpise was flagship

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 10:05 am

o yes.


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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 6:07 pm

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>My memory is that it was specifically referred to as such, somewhere in TOS, but I have no idea of the particular spot where this happened.

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It actually wasn't truespock. You maybe remembering dialogue from TNG or the movies though!



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Report this Jul. 27 2012, 12:45 pm

Vger23- You are my new favorite poster on here!


And, as much as I hate to nitpick, I've seen people say there were 13 and 14 Constitution class ships, but I distinctly remember Kirk saying that there were only 12 like it in the fleet.


Ahh, Kirk, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb which tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It's very cold....in space.

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Report this Jul. 27 2012, 1:10 pm

Quote: JK1701 @ Jul. 27 2012, 12:45 pm

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>Vger23- You are my new favorite poster on here!

>And, as much as I hate to nitpick, I've seen people say there were 13 and 14 Constitution class ships, but I distinctly remember Kirk saying that there were only 12 like it in the fleet.

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well I love to nitpick, Kirks weres were not that defintive.


Heres the line for the TOS episode "Tomorrow is Yesterday"


KIRK: [refering to his ship] "there are only twelve like it in the fleet"


which means 1 of 2 things.


the Enterprise was 1 of 12 ships of that design, or there were 12 other ships like the enterprise in the fleet.


theres also the possibility that more were being built over the years.


possibly suggests that the Enterprise should be excluded from the count, meaning there could be thirteen Constitution-class ships as o


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Report this Jul. 27 2012, 2:03 pm

I Would Have To Say No. It is The Best KNOWN Ship In The Fleet; But Since It Was Never Commandeerd By Any Of The Admiralty, Technicaly, It Really Wasn't A Flagship, But, I Digress.

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Report this Jul. 27 2012, 2:11 pm

Quote: Fleet Admiral Braxton @ Jul. 27 2012, 2:03 pm

>I Would Have To Say No. It is The Best KNOWN Ship In The Fleet; But Since It Was Never Commandeerd By Any Of The Admiralty, Technicaly, It Really Wasn't A Flagship, But, I Digress


Technicaly it was commanded by a member of the Admiralty, Admiral James T.Kirk assumed command of the ship on stardate 8130.3


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Report this Jul. 27 2012, 2:18 pm

I think the original question was about the series and not the movies. In the series, it wasn't commandeered by any of the admiralty. So it wasn't really a flagship. Just, perhaps, the most famous ship in the fleet.


Ahh, Kirk, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb which tells us revenge is a dish that is best served cold? It's very cold....in space.

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Report this Aug. 19 2012, 4:16 am

I don't think so.  It was never referenced as such, as far as I'm aware.  I think the Enterprise in TNG certainly was portrayed that way, but I assumed that the name Enterprise truly came to prominence under Kirk and company.

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