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Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 17 2012, 9:48 am

As I was writing the check to the Federal government to pay my 2011 taxes I was wondering?


Every Liberal\Democrat\OWS\SEIU member screams about how the wealthy among us do not pay their 'fair share' in taxes.


They seem to forget the fact that 47% pay no federal income tax at all and that hardly seems fair.


If everyone paid the same rate, let's say 17%, just to throw a number out there, wouldn't that be fair?


17% of Bill Gates and Warren Buffetts money is a damn sight more than 17% of mine, yet we are paying the same percentage.


Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch I know this is a gross oversimplification. You would need cutouts below a certian income, say $40,000 a year, and you'd need to close ALL the loopholes and shelters for taxes. 


I want the IRS to have 20 employees who can handle the job of taxes with an iPad and a few free accounting apps. The cost savings alone would be worth it. 


Of course cutting spending HAS to happen, but let's deal with one issue at a time. 


Please tell me, O liberal wise men, why you can't support a 'fair tax' ? I mean all you want is what's fair, right?


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Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 5:43 am

Guess this one has no takers. Must be me.


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FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 6:28 am

Corwin... You're asking the illogical people to answer a logical question.  They call treating everyone equally as "unfair" and taxing each dollar equally as "unfair."


They believe too much in the participation trophy mindset where there is no first place or last place - everyone gets the same - and they use the tax code to do it.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 6:29 am

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>A Flat tax regime (where everyone is asked to pay the same proportionof their personal income tax is NOT A FAIR tax.
taxing everyone equally is not "fair"????  If I show you two people that both earn a dollar, you say that one should be taxed more than another????  Why do you consider discrimination fair?


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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 6:31 am

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>It benefits the wealthy / highest income bracket a lot more than those who in lower percentiles of the income distribution. They get more money to keep and use for buying expensive luxury items, lucury holidays, buying frivilious items like expensive cloths and jewellery and lifestyle / high status items.
You mean that you want to decide what they can and can't do with their own earned money....


And so what if they buy "luxury" or "frivolous" items - it employs people...  But no... you don't want the wealthy to actually spend their own money and hire people....


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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 6:32 am

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>They will not use their extra spending money to invest, grow businesses and employ more people. Look at their behaviour in the past, no reason to think they'll change.
Bogus statement.  To grow wealth, they must invest their money.


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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 6:35 am

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>Also, what makes you think in wildest dreamings that the higher percentile earners will ACTUALLY PAY the flat rate and not find ways of avoiding their tax obligations and reducing their tax bill.
it's called removing all deductions....


Tax code:


1) How much did you make from all income sources?


2) Multiply that number by 17%.


3) Mail that amount into the IRS.


 


 


See.... no deductions.... no credits.... no gimmicks.


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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 6:36 am

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>And what govemment spending reductions do you think are fair , and who is going to help those who need help when government programs are killed or curtailed.
Family..... Communities.... Churches....


It's called CHARITY and it does a much better job than government ever can do.  Plus, check out the US Constitution.... it's not the government's job to "help those who need help."


Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 9:31 am

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>OK ... I'll nibble.

>A Flat tax regime (where everyone is asked to pay the same proportionof their personal income tax is NOT A FAIR tax.

>If I pay 17% and Bill Gates pays 17% what is unfair? It's not equal in dollar value. But it's the same based on percentage of income. Why should he pay more of a percentage than I do? 

>Or is it a case of they have more so they should pay more? Not Fair.

>It benefits the wealthy / highest income bracket a lot more than those who in lower percentiles of the income distribution. They get more money to keep and use for buying expensive luxury items, lucury holidays, buying frivilious items like expensive cloths and jewellery and lifestyle / high status items.

>Let's go with the idea that those that make more than me and you have earned the money. If they pay the same percentage rate I do, why should I give a rat's ass what they spend their money on? It's no more my money than it is the governments money. If you earn it why can't you spend it on anything you want? Or is it class warfare bullshit? Wealth in and of itself is not evil. 

>They will not use their extra spending money to invest, grow businesses and employ more people. Look at their behaviour in the past, no reason to think they'll change.

>Again, why should I care what they do after they pay the same rate in taxes as I do? No one should be able to tell me what I can and cannot spend my money on? Especially the government, as they don't know how to spend it now.

>Also, what makes you think in wildest dreamings that the higher percentile earners will ACTUALLY PAY the flat rate and not find ways of avoiding their tax obligations and reducing their tax bill.

>Did you even read my post? REMOVE ALL THE LOOPHOLES AND SHELTERS.  If the loopholes don't exist, they can't cheat. Simple enough for you?

>And what govemment spending reductions do you think are fair , and who is going to help those who need help when government programs are killed or curtailed.

>No one gets any tax dollars if they are capable of working. If you live off the government, you need to contribute something back. Clean the streets, fix the infrastructure, run a daycare so single moms can get a job and get off welfare.

>Don't bail out ANYONE.  Only kill the programs that breed a culture of dependancy. Only kill the programs that allow people to steal the government blind. You should not be able to get cash from your EBT card to go on a cruise or gamble in Vegas. I could go on, but if you want a list of programs I would cut, please start another topic. 

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chr33355

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 12:08 pm

Because if the tax code was simplified government would lose a vast majority of its power and the left would lose their class warfare fall back.

lostshaker

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 12:12 pm

The only fair tax is 0 for everyone.

Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 12:31 pm

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>The only fair tax is 0 for everyone.

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No.  I'm willing to pay for the services government SHOULD provide. 


I am done with the government providing for every possible asshat and douchbag to game the system. 


Close the loopholes, end the tax brackets, end the shelters. 


When everyone pays their fair percentage then no one can say it's 'unfair' 


The only thing I truly resent at tax time is that the federal government just doesn't come into my home and wave the gun in my face as it steals more than it needs of my hard earned money. 


And they will show up with guns should I fail to pay tribute to the IRS. 


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Corwin8

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 12:33 pm

Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 18 2012, 12:08 pm

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>Because if the tax code was simplified government would lose a vast majority of its power and the left would lose their class warfare fall back.

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Good Point. 


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miklamar

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 12:44 pm

To me, a flat-rate tax--the same percentage for everyone--sounds fair.  That way, no matter how much you earn, or how well you earn your income, you would be paying the same rate as every other taxpayer.  (It's like a sales tax.  You pay, based upon what you get.)  That sounds logical to me.


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lostshaker

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 1:24 pm

The only fair tax is 0 for everyone.


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No.  I'm willing to pay for the services government SHOULD provide.


 


Oh, yes. The government can get money the old way, indirectly through tariffs. It doesn't have to levy direct taxes, which are a form of involuntary servitude... that which is outlawed by the 13th Amendment. Granted, the 16th Amendment effectively repeals the 13th Amendment. But tariffs would have the advantage of lowering government income and thus minimizing government. The only reason the government taxes so much is to support unconstitutional government with its internal improvement programs, subsidies, and foreign wars.


Individuals can always donate to government for such services.

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