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OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 17 2012, 7:27 am

"It's not as if we're really excluding them from anything, we're just talking about -- you know -- limiting what they can do." (O'Brien).


 


Excluding?


Limiting?


Is there a meaningful difference?


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Apr. 17 2012, 10:16 am

To me there is,


Being excluded from a party means I dont get to go at all.


"Limiting" my time at the party means I get to go and have some fun for a short while.


Maybe the context is in issue here, I dont recall that dialog, what episode was it from and what was it about???


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OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 12:15 am

Anyway, I found it silly how they tried to calculate the future in this episode given so many unknowns.  It would have been okay to use suspension of disbelief and assume they know what they were talking about but they acted so certain that the federation would lose the war when they didn't in the end. *shrugs*


That was actually a key theme of the episode -- they were so certain that they were right -- but that was something Bashir had to learn as much as the others; that there were unknown (and unknowable) variables in their calculations. Sarina's actions threw all their predictions out of place, and so that was what Bashir had to realise by the end of the episode: Pretty much exactly what you said.


And hey -- I'm quoting from memory, almost always.


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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 6:53 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Apr. 17 2012, 7:27 am

>

>"It's not as if we're really excluding them from anything, we're just talking about -- you know -- limiting what they can do." (O'Brien).

>Excluding?

>Limiting?

>Is there a meaningful difference?

>


 


To me, the  words both sound like discrimination against the GE people


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MoppyCGDaniels

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 4:07 pm

Me too. It's as far as it goes by disrciminating GE people, but those because the parents broke the law are limited to anything worth doing.

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 10:47 pm

Most GE's were mentally instable. That's why their access to key positions were limited. Logical


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juliansgirl7

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Report this Apr. 19 2012, 6:35 am

So the ones who are ok, like JULIAN, have to suffer the discrimination?


 


Besides, it wasn't most, just some, GE's that were unstable


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OtakuJo

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Report this Apr. 19 2012, 7:37 am

I'd have to agree with JG on this one -- the anti-GE laws were discriminating against people based on their having genetic enhancements, not on the basis of any mental instability.


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MoppyCGDaniels

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Report this Apr. 19 2012, 8:00 am

But that counts only for Dr. Bashir and OtakuJo you said before the GE's were discriminated though by that there's no diffenrence between limiting & excluding.

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Report this Apr. 19 2012, 8:42 am

They were not only mentally instable, they were also mentally and physically superior. They did not forget the eugenic wars and just couldn't take the risk of having a person like that in a power position. It's not fair for the enhanced people, but better be safe than sorry. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.


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Report this Apr. 21 2012, 4:18 pm

According to the episode, Bashir swore that he was not genetically engineered in order to attend Starfleet Medical, and then again to receive his commission.  It amazes me that someone who violated his oath is allowed to stay in Starfleet, no matter how well-adjusted he is or how much his CO stood up for him.


I had the impression that only a few careers excluded GE people, Starfleet being one of them.  Many other opportunities would be open -- treating patients as a civilian doctor, medical research, tennis pro.  Just not as a soldier or law enforcement officer.


 

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Apr. 21 2012, 4:37 pm

In some ways, we already limit people today... just not because of "genetically engineered."  Since I don't want to make this yet another political thread...., I won't state the obvious comparisons.


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