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CBS / CBS Corporation Please Stop STO From Dragging In The Mud

Mavgeek

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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 10:28 pm

While we know CBS has licensed STO to Cryptic Studios, whom is now owned by Perfect World Entertainment, what we need instead of that is CBS to step in and help us both fans and players of STO here.


This is a call, a heed, a begging for you to stop both Cryptic Studios and Perfect World Entertainment from further dragging the Star Trek IP and franchise through the proverbial mud. Ever since Cryptic Studios was aquired by Perfect World Entertainment in the late summer / early fall of 2011, the game of Star Trek Online has been in a landslide of turmoil. While we can debate lack of actual content updates to a mmorpg until we're all blue in the face, the real heart of the matter is how they are treating our beloved franchise. Gene would be rolling in his grave these days if he could see what Trek has become. Slot machines in Vegas, a technical form of gambling in STO, and much more.


Ever since Perfect World Entertainment bought Cryptic Studios from Atari, we've seen blatant lies by Cryptic Studios regarding some issues, and things done to the game that are heavily TARNISHING the brand and IP of Star Trek. Since the game has transtition to a "Free To Play" model where there is no monthly mmorpg subscription required to play, focus has heavily shifted to the cash shop / item mall they call the "C-Store". Instead of new items or ships being added to the game people highly want, i.e. the Dominion Jem Hadar ships, they are instead added to random chance "Loot Boxes" which can only be opened by purchasing "keys" from their C-Store. Very much like keys you buy from Valve to open "boxes" found in their game, Team Fortress 2.


And while technically yes you could spend a lot, and we do mean a lot of time, getting the in-game currency Dilithium to exchange for C-Store Points to get your keys for these loot boxes, these boxes are still a "chance" at giving you the item you want. Yes you are guaranteed some FORM of item but most of the time it is an item that isn't even worth the 100 C-Store points you spent for the key. There are no other methods in-game of getting some of these items, because some of them such as the new Ferengi D'Kora ship are Bind of Pickup meaning it cannot be sold or traded to another player or placed on the in-game auction house called the Exchange. There are players out there spending hundreds of dollars, sometimes thousands of dollars of real world money to get these high ticket items. That is their choice yes but this is not what we envision when we think Star Trek. Yes the franchise needs to make money but you also do not need to bleed people dry of money in the process. This is not the spirit of Star Trek in any way shape or form.


And to top that off even worse, Cryptic Studios refuses to release any form of data telling us what the drop rate or percentage of getting certain items in these loot boxes are. BorticusCryptic aka Jeremy Randall has stated that Cryptic would never tell us because the chances for most big ticket items are so low, the low chance to actually get them would just infuriate the playerbase even more.


The developers of this game, honestly, have lost touch with their playerbase. They used to listen to us. Take feedback. Now, they just concentrate of creating more things we have to pay real money to obtain. You have an entire faction, the Klingons, completely unfinished after over TWO YEARS since launch. This is absurd in a game based on TWO factions that are supposedly at WAR with each other.


Some of us are diehard fans of Trek and STO. I've personally bought several copies of the game, a collectors edition, tons of money spent in their C-Store and run a long on-going podcast for the game. Cryptic Studios and more importantly Perfect World Entertainment are killing your franchise. In a slow aganizing death. They are dragging your name, your intellectual property through the mud. And they don't care. Perfect World is your atypical Chinese mmorpg company. They thrive on microtransactions and focus their games around them rather than content, story, player interaction. This is not the Star Trek some of us have loved for DECADES of our lives.


So please, CBS, whoever over there is in charge, if someone, somehow, ever gets wind of this thread, we beg you STOP THEM. Replace Cryptic Studios in some fashion. Take back your IP and direct it to another developer. Or heck start over. No STO would be better than the direction Cryptic Studios is taking this. Please, do SOMETHING about YOUR IP. They are ruining YOUR franchise and YOUR name in the process of these very poor business decisions by their overlords, Perfect World Entertainment. Help us.

Leviathan99

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Report this Apr. 13 2012, 12:27 am

To make matters worse, this comes alongside statements that suggest:

- The development of a full Klingon faction is in question due to questions over cost effectiveness.


- In place of factions, we are getting other factions ships raffled off to Federation and Klingon players at a rate that requires an investment of hundreds of dollars per single use ship. The new Ferengi shuttle is not obtainable for less than $300.


- The development of Featured Episodes, which have been the prime method of developing a non-books version of the Star Trek story for the 25th century, have been called into question.


- All new content has tended to be short and shallow, with it being set on timers, despite a lack of overall game activity. The most in-depth content we've had of late was a Klingon mission that relied on getting the player lost.

KimmyM

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Report this Apr. 13 2012, 4:52 am

Or you could, maybe, not play?  STO is not a requirement for life.  If you don't enjoy the game, stop playing.  Don't try to have it shut down for the rest of us simply because you aren't having fun any more.


 


I swear, its like people have forgotten that they don't need to participate in activities they do not enjoy.  If you don't like a game, stop playing it.  Don't whip yourself into a frenzy over it.  It isn't becoming, and it issn't going to accomplish anything but making you look like a tool.

krovan

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Report this Apr. 13 2012, 6:22 am

the players don't want the game shut down, they just want to be able to play fairly. Locking content behind random gambling is wrong, you should be able to buy these items, not gamble for them. Bringing attention to issues like this is how to have them fixed, making the game better for everyone as a result.


 


 

J Kirk In Texas

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Report this Apr. 13 2012, 9:36 am

Quote: KimmyM @ Apr. 13 2012, 4:52 am

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>Or you could, maybe, not play?  STO is not a requirement for life.  If you don't enjoy the game, stop playing.  Don't try to have it shut down for the rest of us simply because you aren't having fun any more.

>I swear, its like people have forgotten that they don't need to participate in activities they do not enjoy.  If you don't like a game, stop playing it.  Don't whip yourself into a frenzy over it.  It isn't becoming, and it issn't going to accomplish anything but making you look like a tool.

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I agree with what you said more than the other side. But CBS probaly should take more control over the system and make it better. But if you don't like the game anymore don't play. Instead of complaning about it on a forum go send a e-mail to the person in charge of the game and Star Trek in general. That is they way to go. Not just saying how bad it is on a forum.


Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 13 2012, 9:10 pm

I'm not really happy with the way things are going either. However, I stick to the "if you don't like it, don't pay for it" mentality. In the end, that's pretty much all it boils down to.


I, for one, am glad that cross-faction ships are difficult to obtain. I'd rather not see Jem'hadar fighters, Cardassian destroyers, and Ferengi Marauders making up a third of Starfleet. Of course, I'm sure I'd feel differently if I were seriously interested in getting those ships...


The only way to really get things back on track is to boycott the things that we don't like. Stay away from lock-boxes, don't buy C-points in huge amounts, and use Dilithium when possible. I think that grinding 8,000+ Dilithium (which really doesn't take that long, and gives you 30 C-points) per day is a fair substitute for spending real money.


"The future is in the hands of those who explore... And from all the beauty they discover while crossing perpetually receding frontiers, they develop for nature and for humankind an infinite love." - Jacques Yves Cousteau

J Kirk In Texas

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Report this Apr. 14 2012, 3:06 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Apr. 13 2012, 9:10 pm

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>I'm not really happy with the way things are going either. However, I stick to the "if you don't like it, don't pay for it" mentality. In the end, that's pretty much all it boils down to.

>I, for one, am glad that cross-faction ships are difficult to obtain. I'd rather not see Jem'hadar fighters, Cardassian destroyers, and Ferengi Marauders making up a third of Starfleet. Of course, I'm sure I'd feel differently if I were seriously interested in getting those ships...

>The only way to really get things back on track is to boycott the things that we don't like. Stay away from lock-boxes, don't buy C-points in huge amounts, and use Dilithium when possible. I think that grinding 8,000+ Dilithium (which really doesn't take that long, and gives you 30 C-points) per day is a fair substitute for spending real money.

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I agree, I turn dilith to criptic points. It is a really easy way to get it. Also you are most likely right. It all boils down to if you like the game play it, if you don't like it don't play it.


tom.pain

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Report this Apr. 16 2012, 2:21 am

How I got my D'Kora and Galor...
 
Just a heads up for all the chronic complainers who rail against the lock boxes and snipe at the idea because they feel its gambling.

Some of you who are not complainers might do well to consider this information too.

Many of the complainers as well as others of you out there probably don't understand much about the Doff system.

Maybe you don't even know about Strange Alien Artifacts, or how you can turn them into Powered Alien Artifacts that you can use to make the new MK-XII consoles.

In all fairness I have a crack team of efficient purple Doffs for fabricating the Mk-XII consoles. I got them early on before the prices for them went to the moon. Even then they were very expensive. I got one of them that is an Engineer with an efficient trait for 16 million. Last I checked they are costing 50 to 100 million.

I paid 12 million each for a couple of them with efficient that were not engineers, but could be used to fabricate consoles anyway. Last I checked they were going for 30 to 50 million.

You snooze you lose. Lucky for me I was into the Doff sceen and got mine early. I have a 23% chance to get the purple console.

I was one of the lucky ones to get an Mk-XII Field Generator on one of my first attempts. I traded that and 20 million cash for a Galor. (Pretty good deal for me and the person I got it from) I sold that Galor for 84 million and then bought it back for 70 million. Mind you I had already bought a Galor for 80 million, so then I had two. You need two to have 8 spiral wave disruptors.


Then it happened yesterday. I was having bad luck on the consoles. 10 in a row with no purples. I got so frustrated I decided to start collecting Strange artifacts both through the missions and buying them off the exchange. I was turning them into powered artifacts and selling those on the exchange for a nice profit. I probably made about 20 million doing that before I got tired of the work involved.

Well yesterday I decided break my vacation from fabricating consoles and make me a one since the price on artifacts dropped on the exchange and it was worth more to me to gamble than it was for the price I would get selling them.

I hit the jackpot with a very rare Mk-XII Phaser Relay.

I put it up for sale on the exchange before going to bed priced at 98 million EC.

I woke up this morning and logged in to find someone had bought it. In fact I think someone bought mine and the other one that was priced at 99 million to resell because there are still three of them on the exchange, but now they are all 150 million.

Anyway I have like 195 million now. Easily enough to get a D'Kora off the exchange.

Last I checked the D'kor had dropped in price to 118 million. I passed on that one. I'll wait til its cheaper.

I hope this post gives some of you an idea how to get what you want without having to pay through the nose for it.

There are lots of ways to make mad cash (EC) in this game when you put your mind to it.

tom.pain

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Report this Apr. 16 2012, 2:30 am

Originally Posted by Mav750k View Post
You are advocating a lot of in game time, not spent playing any real content, to fund the second hand purchase of this thing. I doubt many people have the patience to spend crossing their fingers on the exchange.

Doesn't sound like fun to me. IMO, most people don't want to get a second job inside of a video game world. Video games are for fun, not work.

The other choice? People can spend their money on those companies that farm EC and sell them on the net. A set price for something they want fast. But the money in no way supports the company that makes the content.

The problem is the way these things are brought into the game. I just don't agree with the system of random rewards for throwing our money at them. We give them a set amount of money (that they decide), and are given a random digital item. These items are of random worth, some are worth more to me then they are to you and vice versa. So we are paying a set price for a random value return. I don't like it. If you are going to try to charge me money for something, I want to know exactly what I will get out of it. The EC from the items you don't want are based on a fluctuating market, and have no fixed value.

If you want something out of the crystal store you need to:
1- buy C-points (fixed value)
2- spend c-points on lock box (fixed value)
3- turn lock box into random # of crystals (random value, with a possible drop of 0 crystals)
4- repeat unknown # of times
5- spend crystals on item desired (fixed value)
or
1- buy from the exchange (flexible value based on ingame market)

You might get lucky, and get the item you want dropped from the box or something of a higher EC value on the exchange than the item you want.

There are a few minor things out of these boxes that I would honestly be interested in buying from the c-store for a fixed value, but I am not interested in the current system.

I don't want the ship anyway, and haven't wanted any of the ships that have been offered in the lock boxes so far. But I am concerned what future boxes will hold.

Bottom line, I don't like when I spend money on something and have to cross my fingers for the outcome I want.
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My Response

 
Originally Posted by Tom Pain

 
This is not the first MMO I have played by a long shot.

Every MMO I have ever played has elements of what your saying your not comfortable with.

Might not be the same format, but it works out the same in the end.

One of my favorite MMO's that I played for years was Lineage II.

Back in those days the big gamble (60/40 against) was enchantments. They were very expensive to buy and a very big gamble to use since if the enchantment failed your item was destroyed and turned into crystals that were not worth very much in compensation. Each subsequent successful enchantment added a plus to the item and enhanced its glow until you got to +16 and the blue glow turned to bright red. Those were very very rare for the longest time.

They sure were fun to play with though.

Almost everyone on the Hindameth Server knew Trismigistus (Tris the Dwarf). I was the most popular player to player Trader because I always had what you wanted at the best price (,or could get it for you) and people hated going to the proverbial farmer to get what they wanted. The farmers were always overpriced and everyone also knew I did everything in game and did not mess with E-Bay, or those internet sellers.

The Farmers came to me to sell their stuff because they knew I could move it.

Players came to me because I would take all of their junk off their hands for a fair trade in game cash and save them the precious time it would take to farm out their things themselves.

I had a blast adventuring everyday with the glowiest and highest of enchanted weapons and became a big laugh to everyone because every day I would have a different crazy over enchanted weapon to play with which was also one of the best ways to advertise my wares.

The point I am trying to make is that what your criticizing is one of the most tried and true elements of MMO's that attract players and add depth to the experience.


The Galor's and the D'Kora's are the +16 weapons in STO.

If they were easy to get and everyone had them noone would want them as badly as they do.

There would be no fun, or entertainment value in achieving ownership of them.

tom.pain

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Report this Apr. 16 2012, 3:17 am

Originally Posted by Mav750k View Post
I have a problem with the sheer number of random purchases everyone has to put into getting these items into the game.
 
What people can do, and what they are educated enough to know how to do are completely different things. You and I both know there are plenty of people that aren't up to speed with how certain aspects of this game work. The rest of the items are not bound to high level experienced players. All the new players are being just as enticed as the old hats to open up these boxes for the goodies they have inside.
 
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My Response...
 
Originally Posted by Tom Pain
 
 
At 30 to 40 CP free per day from the 8k dilithium per day you can process you can average 10 keys per month for free.

You can store hundreds of boxes in a warehouse and open a few at a time until the cows come home until you get your ship. Out of pocket expense = zero.
 
On the other side of the coin if you want to spend cash to try and get it right away you have that option.
 
 
What in the world is wrong with people opening up boxes for goodies? Its fun, or they would not do it and if its not fun they won't.

For better, or worse, and for whatever reason the game is now free to play with no monthly subscription.

I personally have 640,000 refined dilithium which is well over 2,000 CP points and I fly the Free Odyssey and have yet to buy a C store ship. I have two unopened Galors and enough EC to buy a D'Kora and yet I still fly my free Odyssey.

Guess what? I have tons of fun and have not spent a dime in real money.

I can if I want and some day I probably will when Cryptic entices me with something I just got to have right away.

Until then I have a choice just like everyone else to spend, or not to spend real money.

Why is it that some people want to take away the freedom of choice other people have. Why is it that some people insist that other people are not capable of making a decision on if they want to spend money for the sake of convenience as an entertainment expense?

How is it that people complain about things being the way they are when the game is free to play?

The free market determines if something works, or goes bust. People vote with their wallets and purses.

I paid $50 for the game at launch and subscribed for months until I had my fill. F2P brought me back.

In other words from my point of view the business model seems to be working. Even if I am not spending real cash my playing the game is facilitating the entertainment of others who are spending cash by my interacting on the exchange with them.

I do the work to get what they want and they spend real cash to get something I want and trade it to me.

Its like some people want to turn STO into a virtual Nanny State where big brother and little sister micro manage your real life decisions regarding how you choose to spend your entertainment dollar.

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