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Apr. 25 2012, 6:35 pm
Chr Your Doomsday weapons are hopelessly outclassed by Star Treks Doomsday weapons |
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Apr. 25 2012, 7:17 pm
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>Chr your living in a fantasy universe...... i gurrantee you that You'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING that would be able To Destroy V'ger or the Probe...... And Chr Honestly your not going to convience us that a TIE fighter can carry more boom than a star hips warp core........ And on Top of that Chr if they made the beam super narrow and super powerful they'd eventaully penatate the shleds and hopefully hit sompthing explosive..... Blowing the whole damm ship up..... That's where having a greater fireing distance comes in handy
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Yeah but since War ships have a max effective range of 10 light minutes I don't think they have to worry about it. As for destroying V'ger well of course the Death Star is obvious as V'ger is about half the size of the death star I ( V'ger being about 78 km according to the novelization where as DSI was about 169 km in diameter) and V'ger is much smaller than a planet. Second is the sun crusher able to kill solar systems though V'ger may not have enough mass for the torpedoes to work. Third is Center point station a planetery hyperdrive motivator which can fire beams of repulsorlift energy at any point in the galaxy to move planets through hyperspace, cause stars of any type to go super nova, or simply destroy fleets of warships. Yes I am saying that a wars fighter can carry more boom than the explosion of a trek starship given that Wars has a higher level of technology this shouldn't come as a suprise.
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For your sun crusher I counter with sorens trilithium missile which can do the same thing and the genesis torpedo which destroy all life, and then remake the planet.. I also counter center point with the krenim time weapon which will destroy the station throughout all of time, and the caretakers array which can do pretty much the same thing. |
The sun crusher fires torpedoes that behave in a similar method. Ah the Krenim time weapon which unless precisie calculations are done you end up erasining yourself out of existance. Did you ever watch year of hell or did you go back and read up the debate between myself and marsh a few years ago? While the time ship is powerful the sheer age of the War civilizations makes it less then effective. All I have seen the Caretakers array do is move a ship 70,000 light years in an reativly short period of time (don't remember how long it was in universe) and severly damaged that ship.
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Apr. 25 2012, 7:49 pm
Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 25 2012, 7:17 pm | Quote: Camorite @ Apr. 24 2012, 5:57 pm | Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 24 2012, 2:41 pm | Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 23 2012, 2:36 pm | >
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>Chr your living in a fantasy universe...... i gurrantee you that You'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING that would be able To Destroy V'ger or the Probe...... And Chr Honestly your not going to convience us that a TIE fighter can carry more boom than a star hips warp core........ And on Top of that Chr if they made the beam super narrow and super powerful they'd eventaully penatate the shleds and hopefully hit sompthing explosive..... Blowing the whole damm ship up..... That's where having a greater fireing distance comes in handy
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Yeah but since War ships have a max effective range of 10 light minutes I don't think they have to worry about it. As for destroying V'ger well of course the Death Star is obvious as V'ger is about half the size of the death star I ( V'ger being about 78 km according to the novelization where as DSI was about 169 km in diameter) and V'ger is much smaller than a planet. Second is the sun crusher able to kill solar systems though V'ger may not have enough mass for the torpedoes to work. Third is Center point station a planetery hyperdrive motivator which can fire beams of repulsorlift energy at any point in the galaxy to move planets through hyperspace, cause stars of any type to go super nova, or simply destroy fleets of warships. Yes I am saying that a wars fighter can carry more boom than the explosion of a trek starship given that Wars has a higher level of technology this shouldn't come as a suprise.
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For your sun crusher I counter with sorens trilithium missile which can do the same thing and the genesis torpedo which destroy all life, and then remake the planet.. I also counter center point with the krenim time weapon which will destroy the station throughout all of time, and the caretakers array which can do pretty much the same thing. |
The sun crusher fires torpedoes that behave in a similar method. Ah the Krenim time weapon which unless precisie calculations are done you end up erasining yourself out of existance. Did you ever watch year of hell or did you go back and read up the debate between myself and marsh a few years ago? While the time ship is powerful the sheer age of the War civilizations makes it less then effective. All I have seen the Caretakers array do is move a ship 70,000 light years in an reativly short period of time (don't remember how long it was in universe) and severly damaged that ship.
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How would Star Trek civilizations be affected by the removal of anything from the Star Wars galaxy from existence? They have existed in isolation from each other since practically the beginning of time. The Caretaker transported Voyager pretty much instantaneously, if I'm not mistaken. Anyway, V'ger's cloud was 2 AU's in diameter(82 AU's in the original). 1 AU is the average distance between the Earth and Sun, and 2 (or 82) is much bigger than the Death Star with its 169 km diameter.
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Apr. 25 2012, 9:13 pm
Yeah I've watched year of hell but even an imperfect calculation wouldn't affect trek because as far as we know the 2 never met so .... yeah...... And Chocherne has got you on V'ger's cloud...... And Suppose the Caretakers Array moved the DeathStar...... RIGHT INTO A PLANET OR A SUN.... Sucks if your on the death star when that happens.... |
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Apr. 25 2012, 10:11 pm
Or the Organias make all the Deth Star's controls super hot
Or Apollo desides to reach out and crush the DS with a "hand"
Or if Trlane (squire of gathos) turns the DS into a neck charm |
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Apr. 25 2012, 10:25 pm
Reading the last post, I just realized something. Star Wars has humans with near godlike powers. Star Trek has humans that are basically where we are today by comparison, but godlike beings, or in Apollo's case, actual gods.
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Apr. 25 2012, 10:51 pm
Don't Forget the Q...... With a Snap of one of thire fingers..... Everyone and everthing related to star wars could be gone.... hahaha Trump that Chr |
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Apr. 26 2012, 1:25 pm
Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 25 2012, 7:17 pm | Quote: Camorite @ Apr. 24 2012, 5:57 pm | Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 24 2012, 2:41 pm | Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 23 2012, 2:36 pm | >
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>Chr your living in a fantasy universe...... i gurrantee you that You'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING that would be able To Destroy V'ger or the Probe...... And Chr Honestly your not going to convience us that a TIE fighter can carry more boom than a star hips warp core........ And on Top of that Chr if they made the beam super narrow and super powerful they'd eventaully penatate the shleds and hopefully hit sompthing explosive..... Blowing the whole damm ship up..... That's where having a greater fireing distance comes in handy
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Yeah but since War ships have a max effective range of 10 light minutes I don't think they have to worry about it. As for destroying V'ger well of course the Death Star is obvious as V'ger is about half the size of the death star I ( V'ger being about 78 km according to the novelization where as DSI was about 169 km in diameter) and V'ger is much smaller than a planet. Second is the sun crusher able to kill solar systems though V'ger may not have enough mass for the torpedoes to work. Third is Center point station a planetery hyperdrive motivator which can fire beams of repulsorlift energy at any point in the galaxy to move planets through hyperspace, cause stars of any type to go super nova, or simply destroy fleets of warships. Yes I am saying that a wars fighter can carry more boom than the explosion of a trek starship given that Wars has a higher level of technology this shouldn't come as a suprise.
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For your sun crusher I counter with sorens trilithium missile which can do the same thing and the genesis torpedo which destroy all life, and then remake the planet.. I also counter center point with the krenim time weapon which will destroy the station throughout all of time, and the caretakers array which can do pretty much the same thing. |
The sun crusher fires torpedoes that behave in a similar method. Ah the Krenim time weapon which unless precisie calculations are done you end up erasining yourself out of existance. Did you ever watch year of hell or did you go back and read up the debate between myself and marsh a few years ago? While the time ship is powerful the sheer age of the War civilizations makes it less then effective. All I have seen the Caretakers array do is move a ship 70,000 light years in an reativly short period of time (don't remember how long it was in universe) and severly damaged that ship. |
So are you trying to say that if the krenim time weapon was not used on centerpoint then it would not seriously effect the wars universe? Let's test that, without centerpoint there would be no correlian system, and thus no correlian ship yards (they would still ham moncal and quwat), nor would they have some of the best pilots in the sw, including baron fel, wedge antilies, Han solo, and garn beliblus (apologies if I am murdering these names). And that is just the stuff I can name off the top of my head.
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Apr. 26 2012, 1:28 pm
Quote: cochrane2063 @ Apr. 25 2012, 10:25 pm | Reading the last post, I just realized something. Star Wars has humans with near godlike powers. Star Trek has humans that are basically where we are today by comparison, but godlike beings, or in Apollo's case, actual gods. |
And what does that mean. Aside from the Jedi and sith, humans are still humans in the sw universe. I have seen very few, if any, beings that would be considered to have godlike powers
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Apr. 28 2012, 12:22 pm
There are a few beings in Star Wars with similar cosmic powers; the Bedlam Spirits were omnipotent beings, and the ancient race known as the Celestials would probably also qualify.
Additionally, fully connecting with the power of the Valley of the Jedi was able to transform a Force user into an omnipotent and omniscient being.
Regarding the Krenim timeship, Star Wars may potentially have a few methods of destroying it through non-conventional means outside of cosmic beings; Darth Nihilus was able to consume lifeforces on a massive scale at orbital distances and could consume the life of the timeship crew, while Darth Sidious was able to create Force Storms capable of bending time and space to the point of creating hyperspace wormholes - while it's difficult to gauge exactly what opening one up directly on the place where the timeship was phased would do, creating the wormhole's entry and exit points in front of and behind the timeship when it's firing could cause it to inadvertantly erase itself.
I'm not sure what the Star Wars galaxy would do against other time travel shenanigans, however, outside of interference by cosmic beings. |
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Apr. 28 2012, 2:07 pm
Will match your celestial's with the preservers, who more or less did the exact same thing in the trek universe.
As for the valley of the Jedi, that is easy enough to counter if you have a force user of your own
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Apr. 28 2012, 2:07 pm
Will match your celestial's with the preservers, who more or less did the exact same thing in the trek universe.
As for the valley of the Jedi, that is easy enough to counter if you have a force user of your own
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Apr. 28 2012, 2:19 pm
I thought the Preservers were an advanced but corporeal race, though?
Also, how would having a Force user counter the Valley of Jedi? Does Star Trek have Force users? |
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Apr. 28 2012, 2:22 pm
Whoops - scratch that about the Celestials, I was getting them confused with The Ones from the Mortis trilogy. |
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Apr. 28 2012, 2:52 pm
Quote: Vorta_the_point @ Apr. 28 2012, 2:19 pm | I thought the Preservers were an advanced but corporeal race, though?
Also, how would having a Force user counter the Valley of Jedi? Does Star Trek have Force users? |
Because it took a partially trained Jedi to free the bulk of the spirits in the valley.
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