The Borg Collective (Star Trek) Vs The Galactic Empire (Star Wars)

Kate McCoy

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 11:53 am

Camorite is right a tie fighter isn't much bigger than a star trek shuttlecraft and since a shuttlecraft wasn't able to do it... nither will a Tie..... Alright even if you Won't Concede to us on the Doomsday Machine..... You wouldn't be able to Destroy V'Ger or The Probe... Also Fed Ships can shoot from much farhter away than Imp ships... so long before your ship gets close enough to actually hit the Feds ship the imp ship would already be bieng Pummled..... Here's my PRoof


http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSW-WeaponRange.html

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 12:01 pm

the borg will win.


i love all star trek shows and movies.

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 1:09 pm

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 22 2012, 11:53 am

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>Camorite is right a tie fighter isn't much bigger than a star trek shuttlecraft and since a shuttlecraft wasn't able to do it... nither will a Tie..... Alright even if you Won't Concede to us on the Doomsday Machine..... You wouldn't be able to Destroy V'Ger or The Probe... Also Fed Ships can shoot from much farhter away than Imp ships... so long before your ship gets close enough to actually hit the Feds ship the imp ship would already be bieng Pummled..... Here's my PRoof

>http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSW-WeaponRange.html

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 oh old starfleetjedi's page i think well i can do that too http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html.  Additional proof that wars ships have longer range in the Revenge of the Sith ICS it gives the maxium effective range of the venterator star destroyer at 10 light minutes.  Besides even if they have a longer range their weapons don't have the power to hurt Wars ships.


 


And if you guys had actual reading comprention skills you would realize I said a tie bomber would shoot a missle into the mouth not a tie bomber suicide. 


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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 6:05 pm

They Do too Cher and even if they didn't from a far distance away you can make more shots witch will weaken your shields... and chr Starship Blowing up has alot more Boom to it than some damm torpedo no matter what universe it comes from.... even your own fantasy univerese.....

Kate McCoy

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 6:08 pm

And Chr even if your Imps managed to Destroy The Doomsday Machine your forgetting all about V'Ger and The Probe..... Nither of those were killed by weapons... anything anyone threw at them was inneffective

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 7:28 pm

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 22 2012, 6:05 pm

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>They Do too Cher and even if they didn't from a far distance away you can make more shots witch will weaken your shields... and chr Starship Blowing up has alot more Boom to it than some damm torpedo no matter what universe it comes from.... even your own fantasy univerese.....

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 From canon sources Wars has missiles with an explosive force of 190 MT and capital ships have a shield dissipation rate of 70 trillion GWs given that the main phaser banks have  a fire power of about 3.6 GW I am not too worried about Wars shields from trek weapons.


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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 7:32 pm

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 22 2012, 6:08 pm

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>And Chr even if your Imps managed to Destroy The Doomsday Machine your forgetting all about V'Ger and The Probe..... Nither of those were killed by weapons... anything anyone threw at them was inneffective

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 Vger and The Probe while powerful are should not be able to take a blast from the death star.  Also the Eclipse class super star destoyer has a super laser on it equivalent to 1/8 of the Death star super laser which is enough power to kill entire landmasses.


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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 11:35 pm

Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 22 2012, 7:32 pm

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 22 2012, 6:08 pm

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>And Chr even if your Imps managed to Destroy The Doomsday Machine your forgetting all about V'Ger and The Probe..... Nither of those were killed by weapons... anything anyone threw at them was inneffective

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 Vger and The Probe while powerful are should not be able to take a blast from the death star.  Also the Eclipse class super star destoyer has a super laser on it equivalent to 1/8 of the Death star super laser which is enough power to kill entire landmasses.

The probe, maybe. V'Ger... no way. 


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Kate McCoy

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Report this Apr. 23 2012, 2:36 pm

Chr your living in a fantasy universe...... i gurrantee you that You'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING that would be able To Destroy V'ger or the Probe...... And Chr Honestly your not going to convience us that a TIE fighter can carry more boom than a star hips warp core........ And on Top of that Chr if they made the beam super narrow and super powerful they'd eventaully penatate the shleds and hopefully hit sompthing explosive..... Blowing the whole damm ship up..... That's where having a greater fireing distance comes in handy

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 2:41 pm

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 23 2012, 2:36 pm

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>Chr your living in a fantasy universe...... i gurrantee you that You'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING that would be able To Destroy V'ger or the Probe...... And Chr Honestly your not going to convience us that a TIE fighter can carry more boom than a star hips warp core........ And on Top of that Chr if they made the beam super narrow and super powerful they'd eventaully penatate the shleds and hopefully hit sompthing explosive..... Blowing the whole damm ship up..... That's where having a greater fireing distance comes in handy

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 Yeah but since War ships have a max effective range of 10 light minutes I don't think they have to worry about it.  As for destroying V'ger well of course the Death Star is obvious as V'ger is about half the size of the death star I ( V'ger being about 78 km according to the novelization where as DSI was about 169 km in diameter) and V'ger is much smaller than a planet.  Second is the sun crusher able to kill solar systems though V'ger may not have enough mass for the torpedoes to work.  Third is Center point station a planetery hyperdrive motivator which can fire beams  of repulsorlift energy at any point in the galaxy to move planets through hyperspace, cause stars of any type to go super nova, or simply destroy fleets of warships.  Yes I am saying that a wars fighter can carry more boom than the explosion of a trek starship given that Wars has a higher level of technology this shouldn't come as a suprise.


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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 3:17 pm

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>This, I think, is how a one on one between a Cube and the Death Star (either one) would go...

>The fight is a stand off until the superlaser charges up. The Borg detect this and beam a few hundred drones through the Death Star's shields (as the superlaser fires or something like that). These drones quickly assimilate everything in their general area.   Problem one the Death Star doesn't have shields with frequencies to take advantage of thus the Borg will not be able to beam through their shields and have to attempt to take them down first.  This will take more time then it will for Death Star gunners to target the cube and kill it.

>The Emperor dispatches Vader to the heaviest concentration of these drones, and Vader makes short work of them. However, the Borg have started assimilating the Death Star itself. More and more stormtroopers are dispatched and subsequently assimilated.   Problem two the Death star is large enough they can simply blowup two or three square kilometers and wouldn't notice.  Problem three stormtroopers unlike the federation Imperial computers do not line every hall way but are kept in secure rooms with actual doors not worthless force fields thus there is nothing for the Borg to assimulate other than walls.  Problem three Stormtroopers are also armed with kinetic engery weapons which the borg can not adapt too.

>As the battle goes on, and the now superior numbers of the Borg are counteracted by Vader's now nearly "Irrelevant" Force using, Imperial engineers come up with the same Borg-killing paradox that Data and Geordi did in TNG: I, Borg. They, however, do not have the same qualms about genocide. They input it into a computer, and wait for it to be assimilated. The terminal is assimilated, and about two thirds of the Borg are disconnected.   Why do you assume only two thirds are assimulated?  How did you come up with that number? 

>Just as the Borg are about to become "Futile", the assimilation reaches the Emperor's tower. He Force-shocks it, to no avail. He reaches out through the Force and contacts the Borg Queen, who beamed over. He agrees to deactivate the paradox if she allows him and Vader to escape. She replies through the assimilated comm system.

>"Negotiation is irrelevant. Your engineers were assimilated. As you will be. Resistance is futile."  When the hell did assimilation become a computer virus we have clearly seen that borg drones have to assimilate technology piece by piece.

>The Emperor crushes the assimilated tech, but there comes to be a point where his rather frail tower (rather frail? It's more exposed than the bridge of a Federation Starship!) is beginning to lose structural integrity. Soon enough, he kills himself rather than submit to assimilation, and is sucked into the vacuum, the first noble choice of a lifetime.  Problem four Imperial engineers do not rely on structural integrity fields to hold their space ships and stations together.  Also he could you know self descruct the Death Star has the same effect and kills all the drones.

>Soon enough, Vader and the Stormtroopers around him are the last remnants of the Imperial garrison. A falling drone assimilates his artificial leg, and he cuts it off. Using the Force to balance, he is now restricted to his lightsaber (using the force for something else would upset his concentration). Even a Dark Lord of the Sith cannot stand forever against the Collective.   Or he could just fall down and CRUSH EVERY SINGLE DRONE AT ONCE it has been done before.

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 5:45 pm

Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 22 2012, 7:32 pm

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 22 2012, 6:08 pm

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>And Chr even if your Imps managed to Destroy The Doomsday Machine your forgetting all about V'Ger and The Probe..... Nither of those were killed by weapons... anything anyone threw at them was inneffective

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 Vger and The Probe while powerful are should not be able to take a blast from the death star.  Also the Eclipse class super star destoyer has a super laser on it equivalent to 1/8 of the Death star super laser which is enough power to kill entire landmasses.


Two words, bull crap. The probe would disable every ship before they even got off a blat. On top of that v'ger would digitize anything that threatened it.

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 5:57 pm

Quote: chr33355 @ Apr. 24 2012, 2:41 pm

Quote: Kate McCoy @ Apr. 23 2012, 2:36 pm

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>Chr your living in a fantasy universe...... i gurrantee you that You'd be hard pressed to find ANYTHING that would be able To Destroy V'ger or the Probe...... And Chr Honestly your not going to convience us that a TIE fighter can carry more boom than a star hips warp core........ And on Top of that Chr if they made the beam super narrow and super powerful they'd eventaully penatate the shleds and hopefully hit sompthing explosive..... Blowing the whole damm ship up..... That's where having a greater fireing distance comes in handy

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 Yeah but since War ships have a max effective range of 10 light minutes I don't think they have to worry about it.  As for destroying V'ger well of course the Death Star is obvious as V'ger is about half the size of the death star I ( V'ger being about 78 km according to the novelization where as DSI was about 169 km in diameter) and V'ger is much smaller than a planet.  Second is the sun crusher able to kill solar systems though V'ger may not have enough mass for the torpedoes to work.  Third is Center point station a planetery hyperdrive motivator which can fire beams  of repulsorlift energy at any point in the galaxy to move planets through hyperspace, cause stars of any type to go super nova, or simply destroy fleets of warships.  Yes I am saying that a wars fighter can carry more boom than the explosion of a trek starship given that Wars has a higher level of technology this shouldn't come as a suprise.


For your sun crusher I counter with sorens trilithium missile which can do the same thing and the genesis torpedo which destroy all life, and then remake the planet.. I also counter center point with the krenim time weapon which will destroy the station throughout all of time, and the caretakers array which can do pretty much the same thing.

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Kate McCoy

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Report this Apr. 24 2012, 6:15 pm

Camorite is right... If threatened V'Ger will Digitize anything that threatens it and The PRobe is The Probe Nobodys gonna Destroy it..... And He's Right About the Krenim weapon too..... Your gonna have a hard time destroying that.... unless you got some spys onbored ain't no way your gonna destroy it.......

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Report this Apr. 25 2012, 1:01 am

"canon sourses"   According to GEORGE LUCAS  thats the 6 films and THATS ALL. 

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