Star Trek

A transwarp Drive itself can't be destroyed unless the cube is Destroyed..... Any The Big Big Ships in Starwars Can't defend them selves If I remember right they always had escorts.... It took hours to destory the Cube that was around earth using lots of ships of varying sizes so I doubt the empires weapons can destroy a cube that easily or ever.... and Species 8472 Isn't even technically from our universe so nobody could beat them not even your precisious empire

Borg, no contest!

Ha! Nobody voted for Galactic Empire! Glad people are smart, but that takes away debate!

Voyager was the first to successfully combine their tech with borg tech, and was then able to deal damage to 8472. A Borg cube ship could take out a bioship by ramming it, but it would destroy both. The power from linking 9 bioships together (8 in a ring and the 9th to aim and fire) was enough to take out a planet, much like the Death Star. In STO, their name is given as the Undine.

Borg do have other ship types though; the cube is just their standard ship. There's a list at http://starchive.cs.umanitoba.ca/?ships/borg/ with what tv episode they were in. Also, as the Borg assimilate (at one point, even Voyager), they can simply add enemy ships to their ranks via assimilation.

It's all just fyi.

Oh, and chr33355, even if I disagree with what you say, I'll defend your right to say it. A stoic master of defense if ever I met one.

Alright Chr33355if you take an X-wing and battle it against any Federation starship and yeah the x-wing is more manuverable than the starfleet ship but it's because of the size take a starfleet shuttle and it's just as manucverable as an X-wing..... And NOTHING can kill the borg in one shot NOTHING....

once the first jedi gets assimilated, they would add his biological and technilogical distinctivness to their own (as they say)  imagine a hive mind with knowledge of the force... that's not even fair

Wouldn't it be deliciously wicked if the Borg AND the Empire teamed up to wipe out the Federation and the Rebels? Now in THAT battle, the good guys would have no chance.

One thing I never understood though - the Borg keep sending only one ship to the Federation, it eventually gets destroyed, so they send one more, and so on. If I had their resources and really wanted to wipe someone out, I'd send at least ten. With how the Federation is weakened from the Dominion war and fighting the Klingons too, they could probably do it with ten. Just send one to keep the Enterprise busy or set up a trap or something, and the other nine can wipe out ships and assimilate Earth with little problem.

It didn't seem to slow Darth Vader.

I can’t for the life of me understand why, after all these years, I keep involving myself in these kinds of pointless debates. I guess it’s just my innate distain for ignorance and people who go around parroting half-truths and outright lies that they read somewhere and just automatically assumed were true without ever taking the time to vet the sources of their “information” or question its validity even when all on-screen evidence directly contradicts it. The sheer lack of real facts and supporting evidence in most of these debates never ceases amaze me. And it’s not just a one-sided thing. So many people on both sides of these Star Wars / Star Trek “VS” debates are guilty of this. That said, if I were forced to pick who I believe are the most rabid fans and the most prone to wild exaggerations and claims that their fictional universe is superior in every conceivable way, the prize would have to go to the extreme Warsies. This is not to say that Star Trek fans are faultless—they are certainly guilty at times of arrogance and of making absurd claims about Star Trek tech—but seldom do I see, even from the most radical Trekies, the same level of vitriol hatred and utter distain for Star Wars and its fans that I see frequently displayed by radical Warsies towards Star Trek and its fans.  It’s gotten so ridiculous that I’d be willing to bet if you ask most radical Warsies who has the best toothbrush they would swear up and down that Star Wars toothbrushes are so powerful that they would reduce all Star Trek toothbrushes to molten slag. Their arrogance is just nauseating. Most of the time there is no point in even trying to debate anything with them because they are absolutely convinced they’re right about everything and think that you are stupid for even trying to argue with them…and still I try anyway. Don’t get me wrong, I am NOT out to trash Star Wars; in fact, I am a huge Star Wars fan and have been since 1978. I just find it extremely frustrating how such a relatively small number of very vocal radicals, driven by their arrogance and distain for other franchises (particularly Star Trek), have been able to so completely deceive so many Star Wars fans into believing their nonsense.

As I said, there are all kinds of assumptions, fallacies, half-truths and outright lies from both sides that permeate these kinds of debates; and this thread so far is no exception. Already there are far too many problems for me to even want to address them all, so I will instead focus on just one—the absolutely absurd notion that Star Wars turbolasers do hundreds of gigatons worth damage and are therefore several orders of magnitude more powerful than most Star Trek weapons, such as Federation phasers or photon torpedoes.

Without getting into a long-winded discussion over what constitutes Star Wars Canon, the simple, irrefutable fact is that, whether these figures come from officially licensed and printed sources or not, if they do not correspond with what was clearly shown on-screen in the Star Wars movies themselves then they fail as Canon and become little more than fan-wankery. PERIOD! You can try to argue it until you are blue in the face, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO on-screen evidence what-so-ever to support the idea that Star Wars weapons (with the one exception of the Death Star’s main weapon) produce anywhere near that power level. In fact every bit of on-screen evidence would seem to support the exact opposite—that Star Wars turbolasers are no more powerful (and perhaps even less so) then TNG-era Federation phasers. Furthermore, the evidence also suggests that the range and accuracy of most of the Star Wars weapons fall far, far short of that of most Star Trek weaponry. And I am really NOT being biased here; any truly objective analysis of the movies confirms what I am saying. The radical Warsies, however, stubbornly refuse to accept what they see on screen and instead cling to the absurd figures in some EU sources, such as the ICS books, because they simply can not abide any other franchise having any kind of advantage whatsoever over their favorite fictional universe.