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The Borg Collective (Star Trek) Vs The Galactic Empire (Star Wars)

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Camorite

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 4:56 pm

Quote: Vorta_the_point @ Apr. 29 2012, 4:28 pm

Er... who in Star Trek universe knows how to create a Wall of Light to cut off a dark side user like Kyle Katarn did? What if it's a light side user doing this? What "similar way" would they be able to use instead? After all, no-one in the Star Trek galaxy knows of the existence of the Force, let alone has a usable discipline. What happens if they don't arrive at the precise time that Katarn did, when a user has partially but not completley started absorbing the power?

How they would find out about the Valley in the first place (and before the Star Wars galaxy can use it), how they would get there and why would they be expected to actually get to the core in one piece, bearing in mind this will be being guarded by the entire Star Wars galaxy?



As usual vorta you are so concerned with beating down what I am saying that you are not understanding what I am saying. I am not saying that trek has force users but only that the races that I mentioned would have the best chances of being force users.

Now to make it clear Kyle didn't know how to make that shield either, as he had had very little training before he went to the valley.

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 6:37 pm

Quote: Vorta_the_point @ Apr. 29 2012, 4:28 pm

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>Er... who in Star Trek universe knows how to create a Wall of Light to cut off a dark side user like Kyle Katarn did? What if it's a light side user doing this? What "similar way" would they be able to use instead? After all, no-one in the Star Trek galaxy knows of the existence of the Force, let alone has a usable discipline. What happens if they don't arrive at the precise time that Katarn did, when a user has partially but not completley started absorbing the power?

>How they would find out about the Valley in the first place (and before the Star Wars galaxy can use it), how they would get there and why would they be expected to actually get to the core in one piece, bearing in mind this will be being guarded by the entire Star Wars galaxy?

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So that is the one place in the galaxy deemed to be worth protecting? If the Borg assimilate someone with knowledge of it, or someone uses a Ceti Eel like in The Wrath of Khan, they could find out about it. Transwarp could get them there before anyone in the Star Wars Galaxy knows what is happening.


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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 7:32 pm

Camorite:


As usual vorta you are so concerned with beating down what I am saying that you are not understanding what I am saying. I am not saying that trek has force users but only that the races that I mentioned would have the best chances of being force users.


With the greatest respect, it seems that you are misunderstanding me; I know you were only suggesting those races might be Force users, I'm testing your theory and operating on the assumption that one of these races are - hence my questions regarding how your theory would work if Star Trek did have a Force user.


I'm not simply trying to "beat you down", I'm asking you to explain the components of your theory (how would they know about the Valley, how would they get there before the Star Wars galaxy uses it, how would they negate the Valley, etc.) and why you feel they should work.


Now to make it clear Kyle didn't know how to make that shield either, as he had had very little training before he went to the valley.


He may not have been a Jedi long, but he did receive instruction from both the journals of Jedi Knight Qu Rahn and the spirits trapped in Valley, hence why he was able to successfully use such a technique.


I'm not sure how this would be replicated for a Star Trek denizen, though; the spirits certainly won't be helping them since this is a tag team, entire galaxy implausibly working together scenario.

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 7:38 pm

cochrane2063:


I think the problem is them accomplishing this before the Star Wars galaxy is able to ascend their first Force user; the location of the Valley is a closely guarded secret (only a handful of people know it) so they won't be able to just grab it from some random mook.


There's also the problem of nullifying it; it's a Force nexus, so even destroying the planet won't end it (though it'll make it a lot more difficult to use) and the Star Wars galaxy will be using everything in its disposal to protect it.

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 7:46 pm

Quote: Vorta_the_point @ Apr. 29 2012, 7:38 pm

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>cochrane2063:

>I think the problem is them accomplishing this before the Star Wars galaxy is able to ascend their first Force user; the location of the Valley is a closely guarded secret (only a handful of people know it) so they won't be able to just grab it from some random mook.

>There's also the problem of nullifying it; it's a Force nexus, so even destroying the planet won't end it (though it'll make it a lot more difficult to use) and the Star Wars galaxy will be using everything in its disposal to protect it.

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Couldn't you destroy it temporally with the Krenim time weapon?


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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 7:53 pm

Quote: cochrane2063 @ Apr. 29 2012, 7:46 pm

Quote: Vorta_the_point @ Apr. 29 2012, 7:38 pm

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>cochrane2063:

>I think the problem is them accomplishing this before the Star Wars galaxy is able to ascend their first Force user; the location of the Valley is a closely guarded secret (only a handful of people know it) so they won't be able to just grab it from some random mook.

>There's also the problem of nullifying it; it's a Force nexus, so even destroying the planet won't end it (though it'll make it a lot more difficult to use) and the Star Wars galaxy will be using everything in its disposal to protect it.

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Couldn't you destroy it temporally with the Krenim time weapon?


On that note it could also be totally destroyed by the doomsday device, or the xindi death star.

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Report this Apr. 29 2012, 9:36 pm

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>cochrane2063:

>I think the problem is them accomplishing this before the Star Wars galaxy is able to ascend their first Force user; the location of the Valley is a closely guarded secret (only a handful of people know it) so they won't be able to just grab it from some random mook.

>There's also the problem of nullifying it; it's a Force nexus, so even destroying the planet won't end it (though it'll make it a lot more difficult to use) and the Star Wars galaxy will be using everything in its disposal to protect it.

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Couldn't you destroy it temporally with the Krenim time weapon?

On that note it could also be totally destroyed by the doomsday device, or the xindi death star.
I had forgotten all about the Xindi. How's that to counter the Death Star? It can destroy a planet but is only a fraction of the size of the DS. Single-use though (I assume).


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 10:03 am

Destroying the planet will not destroy the Force nexus; it will still be there at that point in space even when the planet is gone. For example, Palpatine's death at Endor created a (significantly smaller) Force imprint in the Death Star; when the station was destroyed, that area still remained in orbit in the place the Death Star occupied. I also suspect that the various planet killers would become targets of Centrepoint Station and the Galaxy Gun (both of which can target any point in the galaxy) before they get near.


The Krenim timeship however would not be able to directly erase the Force nexus (it's not a physical entity or object that can be targeted), it would have to try and erase the causes leading to its creation, which will be rather more difficult; I suspect the weapon will also be targeted for elimination early on by Darth's Sidious and Nihilus.


Again, there is still the issue of the Star Trek galaxy learning of the Valley and managing to pull off this plan before the first Jedi/Sith Master steps into the Valley core and ascends; many places in the galaxy are same day travel and it only took Jerec a number of hours to begin to fully connect with the Force nexus.

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 10:04 am

As far as I know, the Borg are able to adapt to any energy weapon, so after a while lightsabers would be useless. Also, there is a difference between blasters and phasers: phasers have more settings than blasters. And, as was previously mentioned, a bunch of clones took out the Jedi, but it should be noted that the clones were still considered allies by the Jedi when the clones killed them. But,the Borg have sheer numbers that keep growing, and after a little while, there couldn't be any more clones. Also, what about the Federation and Rebellion? Do they come in? If they do, on whose side will they fight on?

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 4:02 pm

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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 4:33 pm

im sure if you posted this on starwars.com the results would have been different.


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 4:35 pm

Quote: spydertrek @ Apr. 30 2012, 10:04 am

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>As far as I know, the Borg are able to adapt to any energy weapon, so after a while lightsabers would be useless. Also, there is a difference between blasters and phasers: phasers have more settings than blasters. And, as was previously mentioned, a bunch of clones took out the Jedi, but it should be noted that the clones were still considered allies by the Jedi when the clones killed them. But,the Borg have sheer numbers that keep growing, and after a little while, there couldn't be any more clones. Also, what about the Federation and Rebellion? Do they come in? If they do, on whose side will they fight on?

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If I were the Federation and Rebellion, I would fight on the side of the Empire. The Borg is a common threat for all three factions.


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 5:17 pm

Quote: Vorta_the_point @ Apr. 30 2012, 10:03 am

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>Destroying the planet will not destroy the Force nexus; it will still be there at that point in space even when the planet is gone. For example, Palpatine's death at Endor created a (significantly smaller) Force imprint in the Death Star; when the station was destroyed, that area still remained in orbit in the place the Death Star occupied. I also suspect that the various planet killers would become targets of Centrepoint Station and the Galaxy Gun (both of which can target any point in the galaxy) before they get near.

>The Krenim timeship however would not be able to directly erase the Force nexus (it's not a physical entity or object that can be targeted), it would have to try and erase the causes leading to its creation, which will be rather more difficult; I suspect the weapon will also be targeted for elimination early on by Darth's Sidious and Nihilus.

>Again, there is still the issue of the Star Trek galaxy learning of the Valley and managing to pull off this plan before the first Jedi/Sith Master steps into the Valley core and ascends; many places in the galaxy are same day travel and it only took Jerec a number of hours to begin to fully connect with the Force nexus.

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If the death star was temporally erased, then Palpatine would not have died there and created the imprint. If the planet was temporally erased, the effect would be the same.


There was that telepath from ENT: Exile who could tell you where the people who made something were. He just needed what they made. If, say, you gave him anything that was made by any of the people who were  protecting the Force nexus, he would tell you where they were. Transwarp would get you there instantaneously, and then you could just erase the planet from history.


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Report this May. 01 2012, 6:21 am

I don't believe the timeship can erase an entire planet - it can everything on the surface of a planet, but even Annorax stops short of saying it can erase an entire celestial body, putting "civilisations" as its upper limit.


The problem with the Valley is that the planet's civilisation didn't have any impact on its creation; even if they really could have erased the entire planet, the battle between the Jedi and Sith that created the nexus would have simply taken place on a different world. In order to erase the Valley you would have to erase quite a large number of disparate factors to prevent that scenario occuring, none of which have terribly obvious incursion points.


There's also the issue of whether the timeship would be able to pull this off without itself being destroyed by Darths Nihilus and /or Sidious.


The telepath idea would work for finding the location, but it falls into similar problems as the other schemes - Star Trek has to first know of the existence of the Valley to start to search for it and would have to know who was present there in order to look for things they've made... and carry all this out before the Star Wars galaxy can ascend their first Jedi/Sith.

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Report this May. 01 2012, 6:31 am

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If I were the Federation and Rebellion, I would fight on the side of the Empire. The Borg is a common threat for all three factions.


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