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Camorite

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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 2:48 pm

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>Broad storm you are still missing the point. The timeline that I did back on page one has very little speculation in it. In fact, admittedly, the biggest speculation is S31's involvement, whicth is based on what we know of the organization. As for you theory, though possible, is not very likely. A more likely senerio would be that nothing happend at the neutral zone and the romulans were nearly testing the water to see what would happen. As for the parasite invation they could havehave been responsible for some short term memory loss. The only problem is that that this theory only works for those that were infected by the parasites, and would not work for the 1701crew.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COSeM2EVkDc

Yeah, and your point is?

I repeatedly stated that conjecture based on canon is not canon, prefaced my intentionally preposterous example with "I guess I can play your game, too." and you're trying to discredit the "conclusion" in that example rather than seeing the point that some things are just mistakes.  That's not nitpicking, just an acknowledgement that many of the writers just don't care enough to make sure they are not contradicting anything.

In The Cosby Show, there was an early episode that had the lines "Why do we have 4 kids?" & "because we didn't want 5", but then they added another who was off at college so the 4 that were there from the beginning were 2 through 5.  In an episode of Cheers, Frasier mentioned that his father was dead, but had his father living with him in the spinoff series Frasier (which happened after Cheers).  MacGyver was an only child, but as the series came to an end, there was an attempt at a spinoff series with his nephew.  Married With Children had numerous references to Peggy's family living in another county from Al, but they went to the same high school.



First, again you missed the point. Again I admit that the S31 stuff is a theory based on what we know of the organization, but the rest of it is stated IN THE ORDER THAT IT CHRONOLOGICALLY HAPPENED. Meaning it is NOT a theory or, as you put i, conjecture, it is varifiable canon fact.

Second, I believe that I already stated that all major series have errors in them that come up from time to time. So I fail to see the point in even bringing up this examples.

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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 2:50 pm

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>I thought the Borg only arrived in the Alpha/Beta quandrants because Q brought them there from the Delta Quandrant? One of the many reasons Q is so hated by Starfleet.

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The Borg were already heading to the Alpha Quadrant, Q just sped up the timetable a bit. After "Regeneration," we know WHY they were heading this way.

for the good weed


Really, I thought it was for janeways coffee recipe. Lol

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 9:26 pm

lol


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Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 13 2012, 5:23 am

Was Janeway into coffee by 2365?


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Apr. 14 2012, 9:40 am

wasnt she always?


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Report this Apr. 14 2012, 7:56 pm

Glad to see someone injected some much-needed humor into this thread. My God. At first it was illuminating, then entertaining and now it's just petty. Y'all fight more than a Ferengi-Klingon couple ;-P

I just got done re-watching Voyager and from what I could tell, Janeway had always been drinking coffee. I don't remember a moment where she talked about taking up coffee (though I'm surprised she didn't take up drinking whiskey being captain of that ship). I do remember an episode where she tried drinking tea for a while and it didn't stick. 

Anyway, thanks for all your responses and banter to my original posts. Your knowledge put a lot of things in perspective, however being a writer and knowing Braga a little bit, I really don't think he thought that much into how things would appropriately fit into the Trek timeline. The more I watch Enterprise the more I realize it's less of a prequel and more on its own timeline because there are continuity issues I see watching TOS for the first time. I've learned to just let it go and enjoy the stories and messages the writers and produces of all the series are trying to tell. 


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Report this Apr. 14 2012, 8:27 pm

Can you imagine a Tellarite couple?


 


I never noticed any major continuity issues in ENT, the only exception being the Romulan cloaks in "Minefield".

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Report this Apr. 15 2012, 11:21 am

well I always felt the phase pistols were also a bit of a continuity issue.


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Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 15 2012, 11:29 am

Why? They're the precursor to phasers, but they're not completely the same thing.


For all we know, comparing phase pistols to phasers is like comparing crossbows to rifles. We just don't know enough about either technology.


Besides, Worf might have been wrong in "A Matter of Time" and whats-his-name didn't know or bother to call him on it.


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Report this Apr. 15 2012, 11:40 am

because saying they arent the same thing is pretty much a cop out.


its obvious that comparing phase pistols to phasers is NOTHING like comparing crossbows to rifles.The phase pistols are based on the same tech, tech which Worf stated didnt exsist at the time.


BTWE, the same can be said about the photonic torpedoos.Maybe they were the start of the tech that we later became familur with but that doesnt change what I'm saying.


And Worf was talking to that guy with both Riker asnd Crusher at the table, if he was wrong someone would have called him on it.


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Report this Apr. 15 2012, 12:54 pm

OK stoval first off comparing phasers and phase pistols, IMO, would be closer to comparing a a 1920's tommygun with an m16 of today, and photon topedos vs photonic torpedoes with a canon shell used of carriers during ww2 vs tomohawk missile of today.

Second, there are many reasons why worf would have said that. The first one that comes to mind is that he didn't consider the phase pistol comparable tech to the phaser.

Lastly, while riker might have called word out of a possible mistake, why would crusher call word out about a possible mistake that he made about weapons systems of 200 years earlier. To use a populate line, she's a doctor, not a war historian. Lol

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Report this Apr. 15 2012, 1:13 pm

 OK stoval first off comparing phasers and phase pistols, IMO, would be closer to comparing a a 1920's tommygun with an m16 of today,


  Sorry, but based on what we saw in the series on how they were depicted,I see no logical argument for making that claim.They just arent that far removed. And even if, they would still be the same type of tech.Work spoke of it as if it was a major deverlopment.


  and photon topedos vs photonic torpedoes with a canon shell used of carriers during ww2 vs tomohawk missile of today.  


and that an even weaker comparison.

Second, there are many reasons why worf would have said that. The first one that comes to mind is that he didn't consider the phase pistol comparable tech to the phaser.  


again, thats a cop out.Its obvious he was refering to the tech itself.and theres very little difference between how both were depicted.

Lastly, while riker might have called word out of a possible mistake, why would crusher call word out about a possible mistake that he made about weapons systems of 200 years earlier. To use a populate line, she's a doctor, not a war historian. Lol  


point was that one of them would have corrected him, it doesnt matter which.


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Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 15 2012, 2:09 pm

How about comparing them to a Constitution-class starship and a Galaxy-class starship. According to Geordie in "Relics", much of the technologies on the two are similar, though not identical. Yet it wouldn't be accurate to say that the Galaxy is not a new type of ship, as it would be to say that the phaser is not a different type of weapon from the "phase pistol".


That's how I look at it, anyway. It's left pretty ambiguous.


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stovokor2000-A

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Report this Apr. 15 2012, 2:22 pm

I have no prob with the idea that the tech has chasnged, gotten better, but Worfs comments came off as if there was no such tech in the 22nd century.


And the same pretty much goes for warp tech and how it was described............althou it was more vague.


 


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