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ClayTheScribe

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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 9:26 pm

I just got done watching "Regeneration" obviously an awesome episode. I was glad to see Berman and Braga fit in the Borg into this series as well. It's just funny because that's obviously a situation where they decided to give up any semblence of continuity (as Picard probably would've had a good bit of knowledge in the Enterprise's databanks about the Borg), but just went with it to give the audience what they want.

It occurred to me that the Borg really aren't an enemy or all that mean. They're so friendly they want you to be part of their ever-perfect family and have adventures across the galaxy making more friends. 


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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 3:02 pm

With all things happen Human race that threat their surival cold war Klingon Empire the Romulus and Earth war all important lession that Starship caption need know aviod other conflict with other races that UFP has contact daily basics real risk war. The Klingon Empire ,Romulan star Empire the problem Cardassion Union and maybe tons first contact missons what do and what not do. It very posssible UFP simple did not see important enough event for Starfleet acadomy to teach much about other maybe  classes that are option that no Enterpise D took. Maybe first human exporlation class want into the Borg no one took it on Enterpise D.

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 3:58 pm

Quote: ClayTheScribe @ Apr. 05 2012, 9:26 pm

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>I just got done watching "Regeneration" obviously an awesome episode. I was glad to see Berman and Braga fit in the Borg into this series as well. It's just funny because that's obviously a situation where they decided to give up any semblence of continuity (as Picard probably would've had a good bit of knowledge in the Enterprise's databanks about the Borg), but just went with it to give the audience what they want.

It occurred to me that the Borg really aren't an enemy or all that mean. They're so friendly they want you to be part of their ever-perfect family and have adventures across the galaxy making more friends. 

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In regard to the Borg, I think they gave up any semblence of continuity with Generations.  Rescue the Elaurian refugees, but don't bother getting intel on what happened to their homeworld... WTF?


As far as the friendly part, this somehow reminds me of a line from Crocodile Dundee when he comments about so many people all wanting to live so close together (NYC).

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 7:47 pm

Quote: ClayTheScribe @ Apr. 05 2012, 9:26 pm

I just got done watching "Regeneration" obviously an awesome episode. I was glad to see Berman and Braga fit in the Borg into this series as well. It's just funny because that's obviously a situation where they decided to give up any semblence of continuity (as Picard probably would've had a good bit of knowledge in the Enterprise's databanks about the Borg), but just went with it to give the audience what they want.

It occurred to me that the Borg really aren't an enemy or all that mean. They're so friendly they want you to be part of their ever-perfect family and have adventures across the galaxy making more friends. 



Actually it fit in really well with established canon in several ways. First it explains why the Hansen's knew about the Borg before picard encountered them. Second it explains how the Borg already knew about and were operating in the alpha/beta quadrants before picard met them (the neutral zone), and lastly it explains their obsetion with assimilating humanity.

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 7:54 pm

Quote: Broadstorm @ Apr. 06 2012, 3:58 pm

Quote: ClayTheScribe @ Apr. 05 2012, 9:26 pm

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>I just got done watching "Regeneration" obviously an awesome episode. I was glad to see Berman and Braga fit in the Borg into this series as well. It's just funny because that's obviously a situation where they decided to give up any semblence of continuity (as Picard probably would've had a good bit of knowledge in the Enterprise's databanks about the Borg), but just went with it to give the audience what they want.

It occurred to me that the Borg really aren't an enemy or all that mean. They're so friendly they want you to be part of their ever-perfect family and have adventures across the galaxy making more friends. 

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In regard to the Borg, I think they gave up any semblence of continuity with Generations.  Rescue the Elaurian refugees, but don't bother getting intel on what happened to their homeworld... WTF?

As far as the friendly part, this somehow reminds me of a line from Crocodile Dundee when he comments about so many people all wanting to live so close together (NYC).



Umm, did you even see "dark frontier", because the fact that the hansens knew about the Borg does not fit into your continuity either, unless you take into consideration S31's influence in covering up anything that had to do with the Borg.

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 8:40 pm

"Regeneration" is awesome. One of the best Borg appearences in Star Trek (at least as far as creepiness is concerned). While it was undoubtedly conceived as a ratings grab, I think they did an awesome job at making the Borg scary again.


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ClayTheScribe

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 8:44 pm

I thought the Borg only arrived in the Alpha/Beta quandrants because Q brought them there from the Delta Quandrant? One of the many reasons Q is so hated by Starfleet.


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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 8:49 pm

Quote: ClayTheScribe @ Apr. 06 2012, 8:44 pm

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>I thought the Borg only arrived in the Alpha/Beta quandrants because Q brought them there from the Delta Quandrant? One of the many reasons Q is so hated by Starfleet.

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Q didn't bring the Borg anywhere, he brought the Enterprise to them. It wasn't the Delta Quadrant, BTW. It was just ~7,000 ly from Federation space.


And we saw in VOY "Endgame" that the Borg had a prescence in the Alpha/Beta Quadrants in the form of transwarp hubs.


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ClayTheScribe

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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 9:08 pm

Hmm good points. I just know Braga has talked about getting shit from fans about continuity failures between the series and movies and I thought this might be one of them, but you all explained it pretty logically. Just like the Borg...


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Report this Apr. 07 2012, 10:01 am

Quote: ClayTheScribe @ Apr. 06 2012, 8:44 pm

I thought the Borg only arrived in the Alpha/Beta quandrants because Q brought them there from the Delta Quandrant? One of the many reasons Q is so hated by Starfleet.



No, Q didn't need any other reason for star fleet to hate him by that time. The Borg were already in the alpha/beta quadrants as confirmed by data in "q-who".

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Apr. 07 2012, 10:05 am

Quote: ClayTheScribe @ Apr. 06 2012, 9:08 pm

Hmm good points. I just know Braga has talked about getting shit from fans about continuity failures between the series and movies and I thought this might be one of them, but you all explained it pretty logically. Just like the Borg...



Of course brag a took crap from people about it. But those are the fans that have not actually put everything together, or just wanted a reason to complain about something that didn't fit in with their version of trek.

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Apr. 07 2012, 4:19 pm

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>I just got done watching "Regeneration" obviously an awesome episode. I was glad to see Berman and Braga fit in the Borg into this series as well. It's just funny because that's obviously a situation where they decided to give up any semblence of continuity (as Picard probably would've had a good bit of knowledge in the Enterprise's databanks about the Borg), but just went with it to give the audience what they want.

It occurred to me that the Borg really aren't an enemy or all that mean. They're so friendly they want you to be part of their ever-perfect family and have adventures across the galaxy making more friends. 

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In regard to the Borg, I think they gave up any semblence of continuity with Generations.  Rescue the Elaurian refugees, but don't bother getting intel on what happened to their homeworld... WTF?

As far as the friendly part, this somehow reminds me of a line from Crocodile Dundee when he comments about so many people all wanting to live so close together (NYC).

Umm, did you even see "dark frontier", because the fact that the hansens knew about the Borg does not fit into your continuity either, unless you take into consideration S31's influence in covering up anything that had to do with the Borg.


Yes, I did see it, but Generations happened before Voyager had any contact with the Borg at all.

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Report this Apr. 07 2012, 4:50 pm

Quote: Broadstorm @ Apr. 07 2012, 4:19 pm

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>I just got done watching "Regeneration" obviously an awesome episode. I was glad to see Berman and Braga fit in the Borg into this series as well. It's just funny because that's obviously a situation where they decided to give up any semblence of continuity (as Picard probably would've had a good bit of knowledge in the Enterprise's databanks about the Borg), but just went with it to give the audience what they want.

It occurred to me that the Borg really aren't an enemy or all that mean. They're so friendly they want you to be part of their ever-perfect family and have adventures across the galaxy making more friends. 

>

In regard to the Borg, I think they gave up any semblence of continuity with Generations.  Rescue the Elaurian refugees, but don't bother getting intel on what happened to their homeworld... WTF?

As far as the friendly part, this somehow reminds me of a line from Crocodile Dundee when he comments about so many people all wanting to live so close together (NYC).

Umm, did you even see "dark frontier", because the fact that the hansens knew about the Borg does not fit into your continuity either, unless you take into consideration S31's influence in covering up anything that had to do with the Borg.

Yes, I did see it, but Generations happened before Voyager had any contact with the Borg at all.



And your point is? And as I already pointed out S31 more then likely covered everything that they learned from the el-aurians. If you take that into consideration then everything makes perfect sence.

"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Apr. 07 2012, 5:32 pm

Ok, i debated about putting this up, but here is a timeline that shows that everything, starting and ending with the events in First Contact, not only played out, but also fit perfectly into established canon.


2373: The Borg mount an attack on earth, resulting in the destruction of a Cube, but not before it launched a sphear ship that opened a temperal portal that sent them and the Enterprise E to 2063. They were stopped and the timeline was restored to its normal state.


2153: Remains of an alien ship are found in the Artic, along with two bodies that appear cybernetic. The research team accidently reactivates the aliens and they promply overpower and assimilate the team, then, useing remains from their own ship, modified the teams ship for warp and launched off the planet.


The NX-01 is sent after them and, after a long chase and substequent battle, destroys the alien ship, only to find out that they sent off a message to the Delta Quadrant that will take around 200 years to reach its destination.


2293: The Enterprise B, while on a shakedown cruise, recieves a distress call from two ships carrieing El-Aurian refugies. Though one of the ships is lost the passengers from the other one are rescued and taken back to Earth where they tell Starfleet the tale of what happened to their planet. This rings a bell with someone in either Command or S31 and they immediatly classify everything.


2353: Magnus Hansen and his wife Erin somehow learn about the Borg and petition the federation Exobiology counsil to let them hunt them down and learn all about them. They eventually find a borg cube and are transported to the Delta Quadrant were, after a year of researching the Borg, they, along with their Daughter, are assimilated into the collective.


2364: Federation and Romulan outposts Dissapear along the Neutral Zone. Both the Federation and Romulan government thought it was the other side doing it, but sensor readings proved that assumption to be wrong.


2365: The Entity known as Q sends the Enterprise D to an uncharted reagion of space, where they encounter sensor readings similar to those that were found at the missing Outposts along the Neutral Zone. They encounter a Cube ship and find that they are compleatly overpowered by the Borg. Q sends them back to where they started off at.


2366: The Borg mount thier first attack on Earth. in the process they assimilate Picard, thus turning him into Locutos of borg. After a long and costly battle Picard is recovered and helps to defeat the borg.


2373: The Borg mount an attack on earth, resulting in the destruction of a Cube, but not before it launched a sphear ship that opened a temperal portal that sent them and the Enterprise E to 2063. They were stopped and the timeline was restored to its normal state.


Hopefully this helps to clear up some confusion on this matter.


"What i Hate more then anything else is someone that thinks that they know everything. That must mean that I really hate myself", "Freedom is the right of all setient beings!" (Optimus Prime: Transformers), "That's on small step for man, one giant leap for mankind!" Neil Armstrong 8-5-30 to 8-25-12

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Report this Apr. 08 2012, 4:07 am

Quote: Camorite @ Apr. 07 2012, 4:50 pm

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>I just got done watching "Regeneration" obviously an awesome episode. I was glad to see Berman and Braga fit in the Borg into this series as well. It's just funny because that's obviously a situation where they decided to give up any semblence of continuity (as Picard probably would've had a good bit of knowledge in the Enterprise's databanks about the Borg), but just went with it to give the audience what they want.

It occurred to me that the Borg really aren't an enemy or all that mean. They're so friendly they want you to be part of their ever-perfect family and have adventures across the galaxy making more friends. 

>

In regard to the Borg, I think they gave up any semblence of continuity with Generations.  Rescue the Elaurian refugees, but don't bother getting intel on what happened to their homeworld... WTF?

As far as the friendly part, this somehow reminds me of a line from Crocodile Dundee when he comments about so many people all wanting to live so close together (NYC).

Umm, did you even see "dark frontier", because the fact that the hansens knew about the Borg does not fit into your continuity either, unless you take into consideration S31's influence in covering up anything that had to do with the Borg.

Yes, I did see it, but Generations happened before Voyager had any contact with the Borg at all.

And your point is? And as I already pointed out S31 more then likely covered everything that they learned from the el-aurians. If you take that into consideration then everything makes perfect sence.


My point is that you tried to find fault with my comment about Generations by mentioning Dark Frontier.  Obviously, Dark Frontier shows that the Hansens and at least 1 or 2 agencies other than Section 31 knew about the Borg before the incident at J25.  Even before that, there was Generations which established that StarFleet, which operates somewhat more openly than Section 31, had contact with refugees that had knowledge of the Borg, one of which ended up being a close friend to Picard.  Also, if this was the result of Section 31 trying to keep things quiet, then why did they outsource the work to a married couple that would discuss the matter openly with a child?  Also, given the circumstances in Generations, it seems a rather questionable explanation that Section 31 covered it up.  The maiden voyage of the Enterprise B, the (apparent) death of Kirk, the destruction of the ships carrying the refugees, and several reporters on the bridge for this would have been a high risk of exposure for Section 31 to try to cover it up.  I realize this does not absolutely rule it out, but it would have been messy.

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