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First Contact DID NOTtake place on April 5 2063!!!

commanderdar

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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 4:12 am

 Because there is no way that in 2063 Doctor Zefram Cochrane invent warp drive. He would had to invented it after the Earth/Romulans Wars. Also in Encounter at Farpoint, Q recreates the post-atomic horror of the YEAR 2079!!!! Don't get me wrong I like First Contact, but it just don't fit with the Star Trek universe.

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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 7:48 am

i has to! i ben counting the days and why i love first contact day... its on my Bday wich is today! yayz!


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Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 8:45 am

He would had to invented it after the Earth/Romulans Wars.


Says who? And like Desdinova777 said, without warp technology it's practically impossible to fight an interstellar war, let alone win it. Plus, in TOS "Where No Man Has Gone Before" that the S.S. Valiant (warp capable) was launched in 2065. The Romulan Wars didn't happen until 2156.


Also in Encounter at Farpoint, Q recreates the post-atomic horror of the YEAR 2079!!!!


I guess there were parts of the world that hadn't caught onto the whole "United Earth" thing yet. Plus, Data mentioned radiation in Earth's atmosphere in FC, which is consistant.


Don't get me wrong I like First Contact, but it just don't fit with the Star Trek universe.


It sure fits better than some stuff I've heard.


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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 9:30 am

Dude, it's all fiction. Chill and eat a dang pierogi.


 



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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 9:56 am

^ I concur.  Pierogis are awesome.

Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 10:02 am

I love pierogis. Especially with ribs and cucumber.


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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 10:11 am

LOL Pierogis for EVERYONE!


 


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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 11:55 am

the dark side has cookies


the trek side has pierogis


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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 4:58 pm

Ahhhh, pierogi. The polish ravioli.

Beershark

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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 6:52 pm

Do you think they have perogies in the Terran Empire?


 


Oh yeah, you forgot the most important thing in your rant. Z.Cochran was from Alpha Centauri not from earth.


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Report this Apr. 05 2012, 8:13 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Apr. 05 2012, 6:52 pm

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>Oh yeah, you forgot the most important thing in your rant. Z.Cochran was from Alpha Centauri not from earth.

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Wrong. He lived at Centauri Colony during the 2100s until he disappeared in 2119.


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Report this Apr. 06 2012, 10:54 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Apr. 05 2012, 8:13 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Apr. 05 2012, 6:52 pm

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>Oh yeah, you forgot the most important thing in your rant. Z.Cochran was from Alpha Centauri not from earth.

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Wrong. He lived at Centauri Colony during the 2100s until he disappeared in 2119.


Sorry, NOT. That was just the back peddling they did to make it fit canon. In TOS they simply said he was from Alpha Centauri, the intent being that, while human, he was not from earth.


If we were talking about any thing real, we would call it "revisionism", but not being reall, they found a little wiggle room and BOOM, Cochran is now from earth.


It doesn't bother me any. I was just picking on the nit-picker.


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Mitchz95

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Report this Apr. 07 2012, 8:26 pm

Quote: Beershark @ Apr. 06 2012, 10:54 pm

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>Sorry, NOT. That was just the back peddling they did to make it fit canon. In TOS they simply said he was from Alpha Centauri, the intent being that, while human, he was not from earth.

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Of course that was the intent at the time. But intent isn't always what ends up becoming canon.


Kirk just said, "You're Zephrum Cochrane of Alpha Centauri", which could have easily meant he was just living there. Nothing said he was a native.


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Report this Apr. 08 2012, 12:28 am

Quote: Beershark @ Apr. 06 2012, 10:54 pm

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>If we were talking about any thing real, we would call it "revisionism", but not being reall, they found a little wiggle room and BOOM, Cochran is now from earth.

>It doesn't bother me any. I was just picking on the nit-picker.

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please reference the rest of my statement.


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Report this Apr. 08 2012, 5:44 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Apr. 07 2012, 8:26 pm

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>Of course that was the intent at the time. But intent isn't always what ends up becoming canon.

>Kirk just said, "You're Zephrum Cochrane of Alpha Centauri", which could have easily meant he was just living there. Nothing said he was a native.

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True. People do move away and adopt new homes. I ought to know -- did exactly that! Other nitpicks easily reconciled:


* 2079 is not that long after 2063. (16 years) It takes a while for a place to turn from a post-apocalyptic dystopia into a "paradise".


* "He would have to invent it after the Earth / Romulan wars". Why??


Never heard of periogi but they look a lot like wontons and I luv those!


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