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Picard's special friend

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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 12:31 pm

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Quote: OtakuJo @ Mar. 29 2012, 6:38 am

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>Oh and on DS9 Sisko had Dax. (You might choose to count that as a male-female pair before Enterprise, although it gets a little more complicated when considering Curzon for instance.)
I'll just have to take your word for it, since Deep Space Nine is the only show I haven't seen, since I've been unable to find it in syndication or on low-priced DVDs.

Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful responses.  I think the range of these responses, as a set, confirms (or begins to confirm) my initial hypothesis, that Picard does not have one special friend.  I don't think there'd be any debate or range of responses if I asked who Kirk's best friend was, and I think there'd be much less debate about Janeway or Archer than there is about Picard (though ServalanFan does bring up some interesting objections to pairing them off with Seven and T'Pol).

My response to some of the individual candidates proposed as Picard's best friend:

I think the creators of the Next Generation movies really tried to push the Picard-Data relationship, in imitation of the Kirk-Spock relationship.  I think this imitation was a mistake, as Data and Picard did not have that kind of special friendship in the series.  That's the main reason I think Nemesis falls flat with Data's death where Wrath of Khan succeeded with Spock's death.

I didn't see much evidence of Riker being that warm with Picard (or with anyone else for that matter).

I think Crusher's relationship with Picard is more like Janeway's relationship with Chakotay--frequently alluded to in individual stories but not as central to the premise of the entire series as the Kirk-Spock relationship was (or as the Janeway-Seven relationship became, by the end of the Voyager series).  On that note, Picard and Guinan as a relationship reminds me of Janeway and Tuvok--closer friends in the backstory than on screen.


 


I couldn't agree more on this point. I almost started typing the exact same thing, and I read this and realized you had covered it perfectly.


A close friendship was "manufactured" between Data and Picard for the films. It never felt organic and I never really bought it. I liked Picard as a mentor for Data...but never saw a friendship there.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 3:26 pm

Closest to him? His fish. Then Crusher, then Data.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 3:32 pm

DATA OR GUINAN..FOR SURE!!


 


 

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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 3:42 pm

I'll just have to take your word for it, since Deep Space Nine is the only show I haven't seen, since I've been unable to find it in syndication or on low-priced DVDs.


Try online: http://www.tv-links.eu/tv-shows/Star-Trek--Deep-Space-Nine_638/


I think the creators of the Next Generation movies really tried to push the Picard-Data relationship, in imitation of the Kirk-Spock relationship.  I think this imitation was a mistake, as Data and Picard did not have that kind of special friendship in the series.  That's the main reason I think Nemesis falls flat with Data's death where Wrath of Khan succeeded with Spock's death.


I never really got that feeling. And it certainly didn't feel like a rehash of Kirk and Spock.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 10:35 pm

Quote: KelisThePoet @ Mar. 29 2012, 10:28 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Mar. 29 2012, 6:38 am

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>Oh and on DS9 Sisko had Dax. (You might choose to count that as a male-female pair before Enterprise, although it gets a little more complicated when considering Curzon for instance.)
I'll just have to take your word for it, since Deep Space Nine is the only show I haven't seen, since I've been unable to find it in syndication or on low-priced DVDs.


That's no wurries. I had the same disappointment while searching for TOS dvds to buy on my b'day last Feb.



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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 11:00 pm

Bummer.  It does seem like TOS comes on sale periodically on this site (though even at sale prices, cheap is a relative term applied to Trek DVDs).  I keep watching and hoping for a DS9 DVD sale.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 11:03 pm

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>I'll just have to take your word for it, since Deep Space Nine is the only show I haven't seen, since I've been unable to find it in syndication or on low-priced DVDs.

>Try online: http://www.tv-links.eu/tv-shows/Star-Trek--Deep-Space-Nine_638/ 
Thanks.  I'll check that out--though my computer tends to be tempermental about running videos.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 11:23 pm

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>Oh and on DS9 Sisko had Dax. (You might choose to count that as a male-female pair before Enterprise, although it gets a little more complicated when considering Curzon for instance.)
I'll just have to take your word for it, since Deep Space Nine is the only show I haven't seen, since I've been unable to find it in syndication or on low-priced DVDs.

Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful responses.  I think the range of these responses, as a set, confirms (or begins to confirm) my initial hypothesis, that Picard does not have one special friend.  I don't think there'd be any debate or range of responses if I asked who Kirk's best friend was, and I think there'd be much less debate about Janeway or Archer than there is about Picard (though ServalanFan does bring up some interesting objections to pairing them off with Seven and T'Pol).

My response to some of the individual candidates proposed as Picard's best friend:

I think the creators of the Next Generation movies really tried to push the Picard-Data relationship, in imitation of the Kirk-Spock relationship.  I think this imitation was a mistake, as Data and Picard did not have that kind of special friendship in the series.  That's the main reason I think Nemesis falls flat with Data's death where Wrath of Khan succeeded with Spock's death.

I didn't see much evidence of Riker being that warm with Picard (or with anyone else for that matter).

I think Crusher's relationship with Picard is more like Janeway's relationship with Chakotay--frequently alluded to in individual stories but not as central to the premise of the entire series as the Kirk-Spock relationship was (or as the Janeway-Seven relationship became, by the end of the Voyager series).  On that note, Picard and Guinan as a relationship reminds me of Janeway and Tuvok--closer friends in the backstory than on screen.

 

I couldn't agree more on this point. I almost started typing the exact same thing, and I read this and realized you had covered it perfectly.

A close friendship was "manufactured" between Data and Picard for the films. It never felt organic and I never really bought it. I liked Picard as a mentor for Data...but never saw a friendship there.

I always though Data sort of mildly 'annoyed' Picard because of his immature/childlike behaviour. Am I wrong?


Perhaps. I guess it could be percieved that way. Data to Picard might have just been one of those annoying friends that you still love at the end of the day.


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Report this Mar. 30 2012, 1:18 am

He'd do anything for Guinan.  He trusted her in a way that goes beyond friendship or romantic love.


 


He told Rker many personal things. (Tapestry, Inner Light).


 


Breakfasts with Crusher


 


He spoke to Troi when he was bothered or conflicted by something.  She was the one who helped him recover from the Borg kidnapping.


 


There was no one person, but I'd say the closest was Guinan.  (I wish her character had been explored further.)

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Report this Mar. 30 2012, 2:37 am

Guinan and Vash


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Report this Mar. 30 2012, 3:50 am

I do think Picard was more of a mentor to Data. Not sure that they were trying to mimic the Kirk/Spock relationship (although with Pulaski was a clear unsuccessful parallel with Spock/McCoy.) Whether Data annoyed Picard -- perhaps on occasion although not always. I still stand by the point that Picard didn't really need intimate friendships the way that Kirk may have done.


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Report this Mar. 30 2012, 8:27 am

Riker because he's always standing by Picard's side.

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Report this Mar. 30 2012, 11:33 am

Yes, Guinan was also a great friend and confidant.  But, I think he would have gone out drinking and carousing with Data, first.


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Report this Mar. 30 2012, 1:23 pm

Dr. Crusher for sure. i think his long and lost relationship for her husband jack deffinatly gives then that special connection 

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Report this Mar. 30 2012, 1:31 pm

So . . . another question for those who say that Picard did not have or need one special friendship: Did we (the audience) need Picard to have that friendship?  To me, something is missing from The Next Generation without it.


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