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Picard's special friend

KelisThePoet

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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 4:22 pm

Kirk had Spock.  Janeway had Seven of Nine.  Archer had T'Pol (interesting it took that long for a male-female pairing).  Did Picard have a friend like that?  He cared about his crew, of course, and he had a warmly cordial relationship with the senior staff, but I never got the impression that there was one person who completed him, as with the other captains--one person who could stand as a synecdoche for all his love and devotion to the whole ship and crew, yet one person for whom he'd ask the rest of the crew to risk and sacrifice everything.


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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 4:33 pm

Easy. Data. That relationship became apparent in the films.


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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 4:39 pm

Riker or Data


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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 8:37 pm

I would say Riker, though they didn't interact as much as Kirk and Spock, Janeway and Seven, etc. After Riker would be Data for sure.


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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 9:29 pm

Riker. Always brown nosing and being a model officer in order to get the next promotion. Then nearly getting there and refusing to go any further. But that was for the show's sake. 


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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 10:00 pm

Dr. Crusher!! Who else??


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 5:44 am

Quote: janewayjunkie74656 @ Mar. 28 2012, 10:00 pm

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>Dr. Crusher!! Who else??

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Without a doubt.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 6:00 am

Quote: K_tigress @ Mar. 28 2012, 9:29 pm

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>Riker. Always brown nosing and being a model officer in order to get the next promotion. Then nearly getting there and refusing to go any further. But that was for the show's sake. 

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When did the show depict Riker brown-nosing to get a promotion? I'd be interested to hear an example of when this happened.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 6:02 am

I'd have to agree with Dr. Crusher. She was closer to the captain than anyone else (romantic confusion not withstanding).


Second would be Riker.


A distant third would be Data...I think Picard liked Data very much...but it was more of a mentoring relationship than anything.

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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 6:38 am

A few possible answers.


One might be that Picard was essentially a loner and while not unable to form close friendships, he did not find himself needing to have them.


Another might be (as others have rightly suggested) Crusher. They had more personal interaction than Picard had with a lot of the other crewmembers -- even though this was relatively infrequent compared to, say, the other pairs mentioned in OP. And Picard and Crusher also had history before their posting to Enterprise.


Another might be that Picard related in some manner to all of his crew.


Data was closer to Geordi than he was to Picard however. That's one thing I'll mention. And Riker/Picard was also in essence a very professional relationship.


I would argue that he had more of a personal relationship with Crusher, but that he was of that personality type that didn't really need close, intimate friendships.


Oh and on DS9 Sisko had Dax. (You might choose to count that as a male-female pair before Enterprise, although it gets a little more complicated when considering Curzon for instance.)


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 6:46 am

Guinan. Their relationship is apparently "beyond friendship and family", whatever that means.


However, moreso than any of the other captains, Picard had strong relationships with all of his crew: he was a mentor to Data, a father figure to Wesley, a romantic interest to Dr. Crusher; Worf would have died for him, and vice versa; Riker idolized him; he confided more in Troi than in anyone else; and Guinan knew him better than he knew himself. And then there's Geordi, who, um...was his engineer.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 6:58 am

Quote: Pooneil @ Mar. 29 2012, 6:46 am

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>Guinan. Their relationship is apparently "beyond friendship and family", whatever that means.

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I actually like that they left "beyond friendship" open to interpretation. But Guinan is a good pick -- even though is there any member of his team with whom he is also relatively close?


Would say perhaps that Dax and Kira were much closer than Sisko and Kira. Starship Down seemed to highlight a degree of aloofness between Sisko and Kira -- although she did become something of a mentor to Jake after the Dominion occupation of Terok Nor. That's just my interpretation of it. Sisko tended to be more personable with his crew than Picard ever was.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 10:28 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Mar. 29 2012, 6:38 am

>Oh and on DS9 Sisko had Dax. (You might choose to count that as a male-female pair before Enterprise, although it gets a little more complicated when considering Curzon for instance.)
I'll just have to take your word for it, since Deep Space Nine is the only show I haven't seen, since I've been unable to find it in syndication or on low-priced DVDs.


Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful responses.  I think the range of these responses, as a set, confirms (or begins to confirm) my initial hypothesis, that Picard does not have one special friend.  I don't think there'd be any debate or range of responses if I asked who Kirk's best friend was, and I think there'd be much less debate about Janeway or Archer than there is about Picard (though ServalanFan does bring up some interesting objections to pairing them off with Seven and T'Pol).


My response to some of the individual candidates proposed as Picard's best friend:


I think the creators of the Next Generation movies really tried to push the Picard-Data relationship, in imitation of the Kirk-Spock relationship.  I think this imitation was a mistake, as Data and Picard did not have that kind of special friendship in the series.  That's the main reason I think Nemesis falls flat with Data's death where Wrath of Khan succeeded with Spock's death.


I didn't see much evidence of Riker being that warm with Picard (or with anyone else for that matter).


I think Crusher's relationship with Picard is more like Janeway's relationship with Chakotay--frequently alluded to in individual stories but not as central to the premise of the entire series as the Kirk-Spock relationship was (or as the Janeway-Seven relationship became, by the end of the Voyager series).  On that note, Picard and Guinan as a relationship reminds me of Janeway and Tuvok--closer friends in the backstory than on screen.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 11:57 am

I think Crusher was his best friend.


But I read a book in which he "found" Data being mistreated and took him away, to serve with him on the Enterprise. (I forget which book it was, but I think it was when he was an archeologist or something, then got command of the Enterprise.)


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 12:28 pm

Quote: Pooneil @ Mar. 29 2012, 6:46 am

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>Guinan. Their relationship is apparently "beyond friendship and family", whatever that means.

>However, moreso than any of the other captains, Picard had strong relationships with all of his crew: he was a mentor to Data, a father figure to Wesley, a romantic interest to Dr. Crusher; Worf would have died for him, and vice versa; Riker idolized him; he confided more in Troi than in anyone else; and Guinan knew him better than he knew himself. And then there's Geordi, who, um...was his engineer.

>Also his fish. And Q.

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Great call on Guinan...hadn't considered that one!


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