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Justices signal possible trouble for Obamacare mandate

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 4:45 pm

So now Darden Restaurants - you know, the owner of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse - announced that directly due to the costs of Obamacare, they're cutting employee hours so they don't get benefits...


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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 8:01 pm

Welcome to Obama's America- land of the part time worker...

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Report this Oct. 09 2012, 10:44 pm

Quote: entropyman @ Oct. 09 2012, 8:01 pm

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>Welcome to Obama's America- land of the part time worker...

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And just shipping jobs overseas to his friends.


darmokattanagra

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Report this Oct. 10 2012, 12:10 pm

This is from Darden's website:


"All employees are eligible for health insurance and disability coverage from the first day of employment, which is highly unusual in the restaurant business. Also unique in the industry is our anniversary/vacation pay benefit for hourly team members, whether or not they choose to take time off.


In addition, we pay our employees on a weekly basis, rather than bi-weekly – even though it costs us more to do so – because we recognize the economic needs of our workers. Employees enjoy a 25 percent discount for themselves and up to seven family members or friends when dining at our restaurants. Team members receive a 50 percent discount on meals during their work hours."


They already provide full time employees with health insurance. They are just using Obamacare as an excuse to cut benefits.


Isn't this what you want though? Don't you want "job creators" to keep more of the profits their employees create? Don't you want to get rid of unions and all the things they have fought for? Don't you want to cut education and safety nets so that people will have no choice but to work these low-paying jobs with no benefits?

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Report this Oct. 10 2012, 6:14 pm

Remember Steven Rattner, Obama's car czar who killed off businesses based on if they contributed to Obama???  He recently did an op-ed demanding death panels....  Guess he didn't read the Obamacare bill where it linked up with the porkulus bill where the "Federal Coordinating Council for Comparitive Effectiveness Research" was hidden and has already started kicking in.  Its function is to ration medicine by aproving/denying tests and treatments solely on two things: cost of treatment divided by the number of years the patient will benefit.  (Notice quality of care is not one of those two things.)


And this doesn't count the "Complete Lives System"  (aka, the "Grim Reaper System")


And now it appears that they're planning, starting next year, that a large percentage of kidney transplants will be done based on age, not need.

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Report this Oct. 22 2012, 7:20 pm

So, some of the Obamacare regulations are starting to come into affect...


Obama, under section 1513 of the law, is now going to redefine "full-time" as 30 hours of work per week (for non-seasonal jobs for companies with more than 50 workers....)


 


So now let's watch those companies that have workers that work between 30 and 40 hours cut those employees' hours.

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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 9:25 am

Just saw this and thought it was great.  I don't know if this story is true or not, but our writer makes a great point:


 

It was around noon on election day, November 6, 2012. I was sitting in McDonalds. A group of old retired men were enthusiastically talking about the election... saying nothing of note, but with much ignorance and stupidity. I stayed out of it. An employee of McDonalds was clearing a nearby table and quietly said to me, "This has been going on all day... I can't wait for this election to be over."

A couple was waiting in line. They were a typical, mid-forties, white, middle class couple. They were listening to the old guys discussing the election and the state of the union in general.

One of the retired guys said something negative about "Obama-Care" and the middle-class white guy in line turned to him suddenly and said, "Oh yeah, well I'll have you know that if it wasn't for Obama's healthcare plan, I wouldn't have any health insurance right now."

This silenced the old guys. He continued, appearing to speak to the room in general, "Obama made it possible for me to cut the cost of my insurance by over 80%, so I voted for him again."

The entire room was silent. Nobody said a word. Before I knew what I was doing, I heard myself addressing him.

"You actually sound like you're proud of that", I said.

"You're damn right I am," he replied indignantly.

"In other words, you're proud of the fact that instead of paying for your health insurance yourself, you and Obama have ganged up on ME and have forced me, at the point of a gun, to pay for part of your health insurance. You're actually PROUD of the fact that you are mooching off of me and all those people working behind the counter in McDonald's... that you're part of a gang that is using the power of the government to FORCE us to pay for your healthcare. Instead of feeling ashamed... instead of bowing your head and cowering in front of all the people you are depending on to pay for your healthcare insurance... instead of meekly thanking them for the sacrifices they are being forced to make in order to benefit YOU... instead, you stand there claiming that you're PROUD! What do you have to be PROUD of? Are you proud of the fact that you're unable or unwilling to take care of yourself? Are you proud of the fact that you're stealing part of their wages for your own personal greed? No... shame is what you should feel. Disgrace... embarassment... and gratitude... along with a strong dose of remorse... because YOU can't or won't take care of yourself and so you joined a mob of others who can't or won't take care of themselves... and together you've figured out how to force US to take care of you. Shame on you."

Nobody said a word. The guy was stunned and his wife stood there mortified. The room was absolutely silent for a moment, then one of the retired guys started clapping... and within a few seconds, he was joined by another... then by someone across the restaurant... and pretty soon it sounded like the entire restaurant was applauding.

I had delivered my little sermon while still seated at my table. I remained seated and looked down at my meal... angry at myself for having lost my temper and butting in rather than minding my own damn business.

Within a minute or so, the room quieted down again and everyone went about their business, pretending nothing had happenned.

Then I heard the guy quietly say to the McDonald's counter person, "Can I change my order... I'd like that, to-go please."


   

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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 12:31 pm

stuff like that makes me wonder if people even know what insurance is?  any insurance from your house insurance to the insurance you buy on your iphone is a way to not take responsiblity for your own problems.  By it's very nature insurance is a way of taking away individual risk and spreading it over a group.  To rant and rave about insurance being what it is, insurance,  is insane.  And before you start lecturing me about how obamacar is forced insurance, go read your state laws about car insurance.


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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 1:35 pm

Quote: wissa @ Nov. 23 2012, 12:31 pm

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>stuff like that makes me wonder if people even know what insurance is?  any insurance from your house insurance to the insurance you buy on your iphone is a way to not take responsiblity for your own problems.  By it's very nature insurance is a way of taking away individual risk and spreading it over a group.  To rant and rave about insurance being what it is, insurance,  is insane.  And before you start lecturing me about how obamacar is forced insurance, go read your state laws about car insurance.

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Love it when people try to equate forcing medical insurance on someone because they're alive and a citizen of the USA (a right established by the US Constitution) to car insurance because people choose to drive.  (And that doesn't even count penalizing people even more because they have "too much" insurance.)  Bogus argument that shows how people don't understand the issue.


 


Yes, Insurance is about addressing risk.  Sadly, medical insurance is being used for almost everything (not risk) - which drives prices up.  This is why the medical procedures that most insurance doesn't pay for are getting cheaper while quality continues to get better.


 


The goal of Obamacare is government control, not medical care.  I'm a very strong supporter of every able citizen of the USA to be trained and own a gun, but that doesn't mean the federal government should mandate it.  The goal of government is liberty, not tyranny.

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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 2:06 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Nov. 23 2012, 1:35 pm

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>stuff like that makes me wonder if people even know what insurance is?  any insurance from your house insurance to the insurance you buy on your iphone is a way to not take responsiblity for your own problems.  By it's very nature insurance is a way of taking away individual risk and spreading it over a group.  To rant and rave about insurance being what it is, insurance,  is insane.  And before you start lecturing me about how obamacar is forced insurance, go read your state laws about car insurance.

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Love it when people try to equate forcing medical insurance on someone because they're alive to car insurance because people choose to drive.  Bogus argument that shows how people don't understand the issue.

 

Insurance is about addressing risk.  Sadly, medical insurance is being used for almost everything - which drives prices up.  This is why the medical procedures that most insurance doesn't pay for are getting cheaper while quality continues to get better.


love it when people can't grasp there are people in this country who can't rely on public transportation. 


I'm glad to see though that you understand that insurance is about spreading risk.  Since you agree though I don't understand why you would post that story though that obviously doesn't address the concept that insurance always was and always will be about spreading your personal losses on a large group. 


 


and guns?  way to throw a red herring in there.  That is really a stretch.  Impressive even for you.


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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 2:36 pm

Quote: wissa @ Nov. 23 2012, 2:06 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Nov. 23 2012, 1:35 pm

Quote: wissa @ Nov. 23 2012, 12:31 pm

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>stuff like that makes me wonder if people even know what insurance is?  any insurance from your house insurance to the insurance you buy on your iphone is a way to not take responsiblity for your own problems.  By it's very nature insurance is a way of taking away individual risk and spreading it over a group.  To rant and rave about insurance being what it is, insurance,  is insane.  And before you start lecturing me about how obamacar is forced insurance, go read your state laws about car insurance.

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Love it when people try to equate forcing medical insurance on someone because they're alive to car insurance because people choose to drive.  Bogus argument that shows how people don't understand the issue.

 

Insurance is about addressing risk.  Sadly, medical insurance is being used for almost everything - which drives prices up.  This is why the medical procedures that most insurance doesn't pay for are getting cheaper while quality continues to get better.

love it when people can't grasp there are people in this country who can't rely on public transportation. 

I'm glad to see though that you understand that insurance is about spreading risk.  Since you agree though I don't understand why you would post that story though that obviously doesn't address the concept that insurance always was and always will be about spreading your personal losses on a large group. 

 

and guns?  way to throw a red herring in there.  That is really a stretch.  Impressive even for you.

Obamacare is about CONTROL of the American people.  Driving is a privilege, not a right.  You're purposefully merging rights and privileges.


Obamacare is not about spreading personal losses on a large group.  If I took out insurance on my house like Obamacare is set up, I'd be forced to use insurance to screw in a loose bolt... (and get government permission to do it... and hire someone else to do it...)


No... my point about the gun wasn't about the gun - it was about the government using force to control the people.  I could have used many other examples.  I know you're not a US Citizen, but the idea of liberty is for everyone - even Canadians.  It's the government's job to enable liberty, not destroy it.

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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 2:44 pm

Remember, Obamacare was a "compromise." Mitt Romney did the same thing on the state level. It was never a good plan to begin with and those of us on the left hate it even more than you do.


As I've already said, Obamacare does nothing but force people who don't have insurance to buy from private companies or pay a fine. It's not about government control, it's about corporate control.


If we have a Constitutional right to life then health care should not be a commodity.

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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 2:53 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Nov. 23 2012, 2:44 pm

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>Remember, Obamacare was a "compromise." Mitt Romney did the same thing on the state level. It was never a good plan to begin with and those of us on the left hate it even more than you do.

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Correct - it was never good plan at all - regardless of it being at the state or federal level.  It's about government tyranny - nothing else.  And remember - no conservative or libertarian ever voted for it.... (and if we only looked at political parties.... no republican (no matter how left they were) voted for it.)


Oh... and remember all those groups that pushed for Obamacare.... and then turned around and got waivers.

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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 2:54 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Nov. 23 2012, 2:44 pm

>As I've already said, Obamacare does nothing but force people who don't have insurance to buy from private companies or pay a fine. It's not about government control, it's about corporate control.
Controlling the corporations?   Yea..... to a point.  But it's about controlling the people.  This is just another step towards the end goal.  Remember - they have stated many times the end goal is to get rid of all private medical insurance companies (and medical providers) and do a "single payer" system - you know like the others that ration medicine - only in the USA, it's called the "Complete Lives System."


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Report this Nov. 23 2012, 2:57 pm

Quote: darmokattanagra @ Nov. 23 2012, 2:44 pm

>If we have a Constitutional right to life then health care should not be a commodity.
The right to life does not mean I have the right to enslave another person for my life.

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