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Justices signal possible trouble for Obamacare mandate

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jul. 03 2012, 10:13 am

Looks like I'm not the only one that brought up the the government telling people to buy a gun or be taxed idea.....  LTC Allen West did just that.


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W4_mgATjHQ


 


 


See.... it's not specifically about medical insurance or guns, it's about control - the US Government is using the tax code as a weapon to tell us what to do.  It's too bad that ProRegressive lobotomy has worked so well as the sheeple just don't understand the dangers.


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Report this Jul. 06 2012, 5:13 am

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The fact that the government can compel us to buy something like insurance takes away a fundamental liberty.


caltrek:  Oh boo hoo. Now you can't die at everybody elses expense.


What if I wish to pay for my health care with my own money?


caltrek: Oh come on, that is a slam dunk. Ever hear of self-insurance?


Probably a growth industry if Congress doen's repeal Obamacare.


It blows my mind that some people are so willing to give up their freedoms to an entity like the federal government.


caltrek:  A good argument against joining the military.


We are on the path of repeating the failures of uncounted nations whose citizens watched in apathy while their governments, leaders (so-called), and even those with good intentions stripped their humanity away from them and treated them with contempt.


caltrek:  Yes, I agree, the agree of contempt that conservatives hold for their fellow Amaericans is indeed astounding.


We always must be on the look-out for those who would become our masters.


caltrek:  See above.


There's a reason why we sometimes say "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". It's not just a fairy tale. I'm not speaking as a political person here, but as a free man. Doesn't everybody want to be able to choose the path of their own life? Is it only conservatives? 


caltrek: No, its only liberals. It is conservatives who produly boast that they are Limbaugh ditto heads or who laugh about jokes like "Don't think, vote Republican".


We need not politicise something that should be fundamental to everyone- free will.


caltrek: Translation: If I want to beat the **** out of you, nobody should stop me because they would be interfering with my free will.


I beg  everyone to think about what this ruling means, not politically but fundamentally to what we are as a people. My friends, I fear that we are on the precipice of something horrible and tragic for us all.


caltrek:  *Cues downbeat Beethoven music for the back ground.*


I'm sorry guy, but I think you have got the bad guys and the good guys all confused in your mind.


 


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As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

caltrek2

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Report this Jul. 06 2012, 5:19 am

 


@ BamBam.


From:  Bugsy Malone


Youse got it exactly right. Weese don't need no govinmint. They just git in the way a doin business.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jul. 10 2012, 7:23 pm

Just saw a survey that was released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association  - 83% of doctors randomly polled across the country have 'considered quitting over Obamacare.'


 

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Report this Jul. 10 2012, 8:43 pm

What a lot of people in the good 'ol US of A don't realise is that, from the perspective of many people overseas, when you vote against a measure that seeks to offer a more universal health protection ( admittedly imperfect because the UK NHS model, often described as the best in the world - after Cuba's of course - that'll cheer you up...) is too'socialist' for you, and also oppose control over gun ownership which would prevent THOUSANDS of unnecessary deaths every year, you are just turkeys voting for Christmas - or, perhaps in your case, the fourth of July.

Roddenberry would've liked Obama, he's his kind of guy - ever thought about that?



"There are always alternatives" Spock

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jul. 12 2012, 9:11 am

 


Estimated Cost of Obamacare Now $2.6 Trillion in First Decade


 


 


And if you don't think that the actual costs won't be a whole lot more, I've got an entire galaxy to sell you.

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Report this Jul. 15 2012, 9:44 am

Well.... Obama finally admitted that he's going to tax people if they don't get health insurance in his Roanoke VA speech.....


 


Now let's see if he backtracks that and say that's not what he meant...


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Report this Jul. 16 2012, 5:24 pm

Ever notice how some people just seem to like to come here to talk to themselves?


Really makes you wonder what they get out of coming here in the first place.

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Report this Jul. 16 2012, 6:17 pm

If you want to bring the cost of medicine down, ban all health insurance.  The insurance is artificially driving th cost up.  A large part of what you pay in insurance is going to the insurance company and not to any health worker.  Health insurance is a joke anyway.  Even with insurance the average person goes into debt if they spend more than 3 days in the hospital.  Granted a few people do get their money and "win" because they had insurance.  There are also a few people who go to Vegas and win.  Most people who buy insurance will lose or insurance companies would lose.  If you're dumb to gamble in Vegas (unless you're doing it for entertainment), why aren't you dumb for gambling with insurance when the odds are also against you?


No response must mean you all agree.

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jul. 16 2012, 6:26 pm

Quote: Vicsage @ Jul. 16 2012, 6:17 pm

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>If you want to bring the cost of medicine down, ban all health insurance.  The insurance is artificially driving th cost up.  A large part of what you pay in insurance is going to the insurance company and not to any health worker.  Health insurance is a joke anyway.  Even with insurance the average person goes into debt if they spend more than 3 days in the hospital.  Granted a few people do get their money and "win" because they had insurance.  There are also a few people who go to Vegas and win.  Most people who buy insurance will lose or insurance companies would lose.  If you're dumb to gamble in Vegas (unless you're doing it for entertainment), why aren't you dumb for gambling with insurance when the odds are also against you?

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Yes... that is a start to address the problems of using insurance to pay for every single little scrape and sniffle.  Insurance has a value - it addresses risk - it's really meant for large things, not the common.  If someone stole a hundred dollars from me, I wouldn't put a claim on my insurance for that, but if someone stole my Star Trek collection, I would.


If the ProRegressives would just apply the current insurance use model pushed on us for medical care into every other area of life, the costs for everything would be astronomical.  But than again... their goal isn't responsibility - it's entitlements (via the destruction of every private medical insurance company) - a cancer that is killing us all.  Even a few of them come out and say it.... their goal is a government ran medical care system (under the misnomer of "single payer.")  It doesn't work anywhere in the world, but since when do ProRegressives learn from history....  remember - failure is everyone else's fault and the answer is just higher taxes and more tyrannical government.


Sidenote:  It doesn't take 2000+ pages of a law plus several times that in regulations to tell people that they have to go get medical coverage or face the wrath of the IRS gestapo.  The end goal of this is the destruction of the medical care system and the subsequent hostile takeover by the government.  Completely anti-Constitutional and anti-freedom.


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Report this Jul. 17 2012, 6:02 am

Before the recently enacted insurance reform, companies could deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions. Parents could not extend coverage to adult children, and millions went uninsured. The act made progress on all of those fronts.


One of the inefficienies that remains is because the free market types opposed a single payer system.  So we continue to waste large amounts of money in administration as doctors and hospitals have to navigate a hugely bureaucratic system. A system that is needlessly complex because there are so many different companies offering different plans and extent of coverage.


Eliminating health insurance is not the answer. Only the very rich could afford health care for serious conditions requiring costly treatment. You might reduce the cost of health care in that circumstance simply because so many forms of health care would be denied to so many different people. Cost estimates of current insurance in one sense measures how many people are actually being provided health care, and in this way is both a positive and a negative indicator.


 

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Report this Jul. 24 2012, 11:26 pm

Okay - so a new survey by Deloitte says that about 10% of employers plan to drop their medical insurance for employees in the next two years....


I know that this won't shock anyone.... except maybe those of us that expect that number to be a lot higher - especially when the costs rise.

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Report this Jul. 24 2012, 11:30 pm

CBO just reported that Obamacare taxes will be more than expected.... yea - nobody with 2 brain cells is shocked at that....


At this point, CBO's projects $4 BILLION more in taxes from business and another $1+ BILLION from individuals.

Khaaan!!!!

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Report this Jul. 25 2012, 4:12 pm

if we can afford oil wars and tax breaks for the wealthy we can afford healthcare. 

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Report this Jul. 26 2012, 8:55 am

Quote: Khaaan!!!! @ Jul. 25 2012, 4:12 pm

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>if we can afford oil wars and tax breaks for the wealthy we can afford healthcare. 

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Why does everyone keep using that same tired lie of "tax breaks for the wealthy"???  It was tax breaks for everyone - which increased tax revenues!  Now Obama wants to raise taxes on those that provide jobs.


As for oil wars.... that might be partially true, but if we really wanted oil, we'd be drilling here, not buying it elsewhere (we get most of our oil from Canada & Mexico.)


 


This has nothing to do with "affording" medical care - it has to do with the government controlling it and taking away individual rights.


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