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Justices signal possible trouble for Obamacare mandate

RStar17

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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 12:05 pm

Well the Supreme Court just handed Romney a hammer to hit Obama with until November. In the four hours after that decision was annouced, he raised over a million dollars.


This could very well be the largest tax increase(the Supreme Court's impartial word) in US history.


FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 12:10 pm

Quote: Vicsage @ Jun. 28 2012, 12:02 pm

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>As I've told people for some time, the constitution is about as important as toilet paper, for both sides of the political aisle.  Ignore it whenever you feel like.  You can justify ANYTHING.  And now you have Romney, basically lying, saying he's going to repeal it.  What a joke!  To repeal he'd need at least 60 senators or the Dems will fillibuster.  I'd much rather see them go after Roberts.  Impeach (make up something, who cares, rule of law is a joke anyways).   At least remove him as Chief justice and put anybody there with a backbone be they liberal or conservative.     

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Some people never ignore the Constitution.  And impeaching people with fictitious stuff is just as wrong as the ruling.


What amazes me is that Romney, who put through RomneyCare (and still supports it) is using this as a way to raise funds to go after the Presidency.  He knows that it takes both the House and the Senate and the Presidency to overturn that "law", but in reality, he personally agrees with it.  (Sidenote:  In just a few minutes today, he's raised over a million dollars.)


One thing to note - the more we look at Roberts voting record, the more disturbing it is.  But then again, we can say that about others on the bench.


 


I think this ruling will help galvanize the Tea Party.  And Obama can't run his campaign complaining about how SCOTUS took away "affordable health care".....


FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 12:11 pm

Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 28 2012, 12:05 pm

>This could very well be the largest tax increase(the Supreme Court's impartial word) in US history.
It's a more than $675 Billion tax - the largest single tax in world history - most of it being taken from families making less than $250K.


Fleet Admiral Braxton

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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 4:26 pm

Unfortunately,The Train Wreck, For Now, Is Still On Schedule. And, Like Him Or Not, It's QUITE Premature To Compare Obama To JFK.  

caltrek2

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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 6:13 pm

I think Roberts did the right thing in joining the liberal justices to uphold the health care insurance reforms. It is quite reasonable to justify the penalites for not having coverage as being a tax. It is also reasonable to impose such a tax, especially since the sanctions available to government should people refuse to  pay that tax are not very strong. Everybody should be covered.


I am tired of seeing a good chunk of our local property taxes going to support hospitals that cannot collect from uninsured patients. So many people think its just great not to be insured until the moment they need serious health care. Then the rest of us have to decide as a society that we will either pay to provide such health care, or we will let such people die or suffer with out health care that could avoid those consequences. We are a compassionate enough people to provide health care regardless. We should not be played for as chumps because of that compassion.  Mandating coverage through tax penalties is a reasonable way of avoiding being played as chumps.


 


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

RStar17

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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 6:26 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jun. 28 2012, 12:10 pm

Quote: Vicsage @ Jun. 28 2012, 12:02 pm

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>As I've told people for some time, the constitution is about as important as toilet paper, for both sides of the political aisle.  Ignore it whenever you feel like.  You can justify ANYTHING.  And now you have Romney, basically lying, saying he's going to repeal it.  What a joke!  To repeal he'd need at least 60 senators or the Dems will fillibuster.  I'd much rather see them go after Roberts.  Impeach (make up something, who cares, rule of law is a joke anyways).   At least remove him as Chief justice and put anybody there with a backbone be they liberal or conservative.     

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Some people never ignore the Constitution.  And impeaching people with fictitious stuff is just as wrong as the ruling.

What amazes me is that Romney, who put through RomneyCare (and still supports it) is using this as a way to raise funds to go after the Presidency.  He knows that it takes both the House and the Senate and the Presidency to overturn that "law", but in reality, he personally agrees with it.  (Sidenote:  In just a few minutes today, he's raised over a million dollars.)

One thing to note - the more we look at Roberts voting record, the more disturbing it is.  But then again, we can say that about others on the bench.

 

I think this ruling will help galvanize the Tea Party.  And Obama can't run his campaign complaining about how SCOTUS took away "affordable health care".....


Well both Obama and Romney are proven liars. Obama's gotta go, there's no doubt about that but I have no clue what we'd get with Romney.


Sure, Romney says he'll repeal Obamacare... except he was the author of Romneycare in MA which is very similar... just like he became pro life when he decided he wanted to be the GOP nominee for President, and how he governed as a moderate, campaigned during the primaries as a conservative, and now is sounding like a moderate again. The man will say anything. What he'll do, I couldn't begin to guess.


FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jun. 28 2012, 6:37 pm

Let's use the lobotomized "logic" of the ProRegressives.....  (just to force people to buy something that the ProRegressives disagree with.)


 


To address the problem of criminals, the US Government hereby demands that every non-felon adult citizen be required to go out and purchase five handguns, two rifles and a shotgun (all must meet minimum requirements.)  They must keep at least 100 rounds of ammunition for each gun on hand at all times and must carry a loaded handgun at all times.  NRA certified firearms training is mandatory and must be accomlished once every year.  Each citizen must practice at a government approved firing range once per month, firing a minimum of 200 rounds, hitting the target at least 95% of the time. Failure to do so will result in a "tax."


 


Of course, we can take this anywhere..... forcing people to read the Bible or Koran..... exercising, bicycling to work, buying certain clothes, .... etc... and if the government is not obeyed, the IRS gestapo will be sent.


And if the lobbyists can bribe enough Congressmen, what's to stop them from forcing people to buy a specific company's product.  Let's take Apple as an example (which successfully bribed...... er.... "lobbied" to be exempt from regulations that everyone else must obey) and get the government to force each on of us to purchase an iPad, iPhone, AppleTV, etc.... or pay a "tax."


And with the government & Obama's war on Christianity, he may even take a page from Egypt's President Mohammad Mursi and determine that he can tax people who say that they're Christian.  Of course, people are free to believe anything they want....just pay a tax when you disagree with the government.


FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jun. 29 2012, 8:31 am

Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 28 2012, 12:05 pm

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>Well the Supreme Court just handed Romney a hammer to hit Obama with until November. In the four hours after that decision was annouced, he raised over a million dollars.

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$4.2 million in the first day.


Invader_Wishfire

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Report this Jun. 30 2012, 4:41 am

Conservatives: We want people to take more responsibility for themselves and for the federal government to spend less!
Liberals: Okay, here's a law that does both. Happy?
Conservatives: No! That's socialism!

Seriously?

FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jul. 01 2012, 10:03 am

still so funny - Obama is telling everyone to continue saying it's not a tax, even though SCOTUS went out of their way to uphold it via a tax..... so why is Obama, who rammed this down our throats without a single Republican vote, continuing to say it's not a tax?  Is he finally going to say it's really not Constitutional because it's not a tax??? 


FleetAdmiral_BamBam

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Report this Jul. 01 2012, 6:08 pm

Socialiized medical system, here we come: British NHS euthanizes 130,000 elderly patients annually


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html


caltrek2

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Report this Jul. 02 2012, 1:19 am

Quote: RStar17 @ Jun. 28 2012, 6:26 pm

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jun. 28 2012, 12:10 pm

Quote: Vicsage @ Jun. 28 2012, 12:02 pm

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>As I've told people for some time, the constitution is about as important as toilet paper, for both sides of the political aisle.  Ignore it whenever you feel like.  You can justify ANYTHING.  And now you have Romney, basically lying, saying he's going to repeal it.  What a joke!  To repeal he'd need at least 60 senators or the Dems will fillibuster.  I'd much rather see them go after Roberts.  Impeach (make up something, who cares, rule of law is a joke anyways).   At least remove him as Chief justice and put anybody there with a backbone be they liberal or conservative.     

>
Some people never ignore the Constitution.  And impeaching people with fictitious stuff is just as wrong as the ruling.

What amazes me is that Romney, who put through RomneyCare (and still supports it) is using this as a way to raise funds to go after the Presidency.  He knows that it takes both the House and the Senate and the Presidency to overturn that "law", but in reality, he personally agrees with it.  (Sidenote:  In just a few minutes today, he's raised over a million dollars.)

One thing to note - the more we look at Roberts voting record, the more disturbing it is.  But then again, we can say that about others on the bench.

 

I think this ruling will help galvanize the Tea Party.  And Obama can't run his campaign complaining about how SCOTUS took away "affordable health care".....

Well both Obama and Romney are proven liars. Obama's gotta go, there's no doubt about that but I have no clue what we'd get with Romney.

Sure, Romney says he'll repeal Obamacare... except he was the author of Romneycare in MA which is very similar... just like he became pro life when he decided he wanted to be the GOP nominee for President, and how he governed as a moderate, campaigned during the primaries as a conservative, and now is sounding like a moderate again. The man will say anything. What he'll do, I couldn't begin to guess.


On Romney, you and I are in agreement that the man will say anything to become president.


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

caltrek2

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Report this Jul. 02 2012, 1:36 am

[quote]


BamBam: Let's use the lobotomized "logic" of the ProRegressives.....  (just to force people to buy something that the ProRegressives disagree with.)


 To address the problem of criminals, the US Government hereby demands that every non-felon adult citizen be required to go out and purchase five handguns, two rifles and a shotgun (all must meet minimum requirements.)  They must keep at least 100 rounds of ammunition for each gun on hand at all times and must carry a loaded handgun at all times.  NRA certified firearms training is mandatory and must be accomlished once every year.  Each citizen must practice at a government approved firing range once per month, firing a minimum of 200 rounds, hitting the target at least 95% of the time. Failure to do so will result in a "tax."


Of course, we can take this anywhere..... forcing people to read the Bible or Koran..... exercising, bicycling to work, buying certain clothes, .... etc... and if the government is not obeyed, the IRS gestapo will be sent.


And if the lobbyists can bribe enough Congressmen, what's to stop them from forcing people to buy a specific company's product.  Let's take Apple as an example (which successfully bribed...... er.... "lobbied" to be exempt from regulations that everyone else must obey) and get the government to force each on of us to purchase an iPad, iPhone, AppleTV, etc.... or pay a "tax."


And with the government & Obama's war on Christianity, he may even take a page from Egypt's President Mohammad Mursi and determine that he can tax people who say that they're Christian.  Of course, people are free to believe anything they want....just pay a tax when you disagree with the government.


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caltrek: Well, these "proregressives" that BamBam is talking about sure are a confused lot. They don't seem to understand that government already taxes us to provide for our mutal security. They also don't seem to understand that it is conservatives who advocate people arming themselves for their own defense. Luckily, BamBam's description of this group doesn't actually seem to fit anybody in real life, so I don't think we have to worry about them very much.


As for forcing individuals to buy computer products, if that unlikely measure ever comes up for a vote in Congress, BamBam can rest assured that at least I will be in opposition to that measure. I am sure a lot of other folks who support Obamacare will agree.


Obama is not carrying on a war on Christianity, so no worries there.

caltrek2

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Report this Jul. 02 2012, 1:47 am

Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Jul. 01 2012, 10:03 am

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>still so funny - Obama is telling everyone to continue saying it's not a tax, even though SCOTUS went out of their way to uphold it via a tax..... so why is Obama, who rammed this down our throats without a single Republican vote, continuing to say it's not a tax?  Is he finally going to say it's really not Constitutional because it's not a tax??? 

>


Well, heavens to Betsy, BamBam and I actually sort of kind of agree on something. The penalties woven into Obamacare should be considered a tax. Obama is just smart enough politically to avoid the "t" word. I can't say that I blame Obama, even if I think he was technically wrong in his opinion on that matter.


As to what Obama now believes on that point, a link or similar such citation would have been nice.


As Americans, we sometimes suffer from too much pluribus and not enough unum. - Arthur Schelsinger, Jr.

entropyman

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Report this Jul. 02 2012, 10:02 pm

The fact that the government can compel us to buy something like insurance takes away a fundamental liberty. What if I wish to pay for my health care with my own money? It blows my mind that some people are so willing to give up their freedoms to an entity like the federal government. We are on the path of repeating the failures of uncounted nations whose citizens watched in apathy while their governments, leaders (so-called), and even those with good intentions stripped their humanity away from them and treated them with contempt. We always must be on the look-out for those who would become our masters. There's a reason why we sometimes say "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". It's not just a fairy tale. I'm not speaking as a political person here, but as a free man. Doesn't everybody want to be able to choose the path of their own life? Is it only conservatives? We need not politicise something that should be fundamental to everyone- free will. I beg  everyone to think about what this ruling means, not politically but fundamentally to what we are as a people. My friends, I fear that we are on the precipice of something horrible and tragic for us all.

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