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Odo is the most nonsensical character EVER!

Broadstorm

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Report this Apr. 21 2012, 3:45 pm

Yeah, the EMH was good, but the mobile emitter was just to allow him to finally leave sickbay.  Remember that the EMH (concept, not character) was intended only for short term use in medical emergencies, but ended up being a long term replacement.  I liked how they went through the steps of installing additional holoemitters in different areas of the ship such as the bridge, and at the moment I don't recall if they mentioned the mess hall as some of the crew had a problem with Neelix's cooking before he got the mobile emitter.


Kes was rather bland.  The actress was okay, but the character just underdeveloped.  The short lifespan would have been more of an issue the longer she stayed.


Kim was a decent officer, but some people seem to hate his personality as being somewhat overdone in the aspect of being too by the book.

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Report this Apr. 21 2012, 3:54 pm

Wesley Crusher must be on the short list for most nonsensical character, too.  I'm glad they decided to show a kid on the ship, but kids are not just miniature adults!  He never acted like a kid.  Where's him playing, enjoying entertainment aimed at kids rather than adults, talking with friends his own age, learning how to date?  Why is this 10-year-old boy better at saving the ship than all those adults who have been to Starfleet Academy?

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Report this Apr. 22 2012, 6:54 am

We saw Wesley playing around TONS of times! I seem to recall him hitting Picard with a snowball one time, and he did date people several times, like in "The Daulphin" and "The Game".


As for why he always saves the day...he's a prodigy, according to the Traveller. It's weak, maybe, but it works.


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 3:25 pm

I thought the Docter was great! But what was with Phlox!!!????


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 5:26 pm

Quote: SeptuagintXXX @ Mar. 24 2012, 7:48 am

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>Odo is the most poorly planned, poorly written character in all of Trek.  It's almost like the writers don't really understand what he is.

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Maybe they intentionally made it to seem like they didn't really understand him because no characters really understand him in the show. It would be to make you feel more like you're there, and emphasize his mysterious personality.


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Report this Apr. 30 2012, 6:08 pm

Quote: DS92Sisko @ Apr. 20 2012, 5:25 pm

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>Actually the most non-sensical characters ever created for Star Trek were Kes and and Harry Kim.  I'll even throw in the Doctor too.  The concept of kes was so badly conceived, she had to be written off the show....The Doctor was so badly conceived that he had to be given a Mobile Emitter!  And Harry was just a throwaway character start to finish.

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I agree, Kes was poorly written and her scream was hideous, 7 of 9 was a much better character.


Odo made sense to me because he was sent out from The Great Link as a helpless infant that grew up ina Bajoran lab on Bajor during the Cardassian Occupation, so he identified as a Bajoran male who eventually worked for the Cardassians and was interested in justice. I believe his emotions real as well as tactile ability and his love affair with Kira was real and sexual. I do believe his character made sense in that he did not fully understand what he was capable of doing because he was not raised in the Link.


Anyway, this is a most interesting discussion.

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Report this May. 21 2012, 4:48 pm

I love odo!!!! he was like THE  best charictor in DS9!! leave him alone dudes!


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Report this May. 21 2012, 10:17 pm

There's a quote from season 3, episode 2; "The Search: Part ii" during a conversation between Odo and the female changeling in which she states that "To become a thing is to know a thing. To assume its form is to begin to understand its existence."


 


Given the amount of time Odo has spent in humanoid form and in the presence of humanoid species, I think that this line very adequately justifies how Odo could gain a comprehension, and even an affinity towards a humanoid emotion such as love.

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Report this May. 23 2012, 10:10 am

The whole thing about Changelings functioning sexually like humanoids is interesting (whether Odo could mimic sex hormones and humanoid sexual response and so on). Did they ever get into how it is the Changelings reproduced? (I don't think so but maybe I'm wrong). It doesn't seem like they'd reproduce sexually but more asexually. And since they were normally basically orange gelatinous goo would they even have genders, you know male and female? I've sometimes wondered about that, it seems to me they'd be more likely to be genderless if you think about it. But then I think the Odo and Kira relationship and love story was done quite well. And obviously the show's producers and writers gave the Changelings genders so they could write that story and I think to help the audience better relate to Odo. I don't know that you could do a story like that if Odo's character had been genderless.


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Report this May. 23 2012, 2:54 pm

Quote: DrJmac55 @ May. 21 2012, 10:17 pm

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>There's a quote from season 3, episode 2; "The Search: Part ii" during a conversation between Odo and the female changeling in which she states that "To become a thing is to know a thing. To assume its form is to begin to understand its existence."

>Given the amount of time Odo has spent in humanoid form and in the presence of humanoid species, I think that this line very adequately justifies how Odo could gain a comprehension, and even an affinity towards a humanoid emotion such as love.

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too true


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Report this May. 24 2012, 2:01 am

Thanks for the warning, Rusty. I just wonder, what does that have to do with this conversation?

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Report this May. 24 2012, 9:28 am

odo is awesome.

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Report this May. 24 2012, 1:44 pm



Odo is the most poorly planned, poorly written character in all of Trek.  It's almost like the writers don't really understand what he is.  For example, there's an early episode of DS9 where Odo gets hit in the head by some falling rocks.  He gets knocked unconscious.  Why would getting hit in the "head" knock him unconscious? There isn't a brain in that head.  His "head" is no different than any other part of his "body".  



Maybe if it'd landed on his chest or back or even foot it would've had the same effect. Perhaps he loses consciousness when too much of his mass is displaced. Or, honestly, being an early episode, maybe they just hadn't hashed that out yet. Characters are not 100% formed before they're put in. They grow with the series.



Then, in a season 6 episode he's talking to another changeling who suggests that he can turn into a cloud.  A cloud is simply water vapor.  You mean to tell me that odo can transform himself into gas?!?!  He's invincible.  He could transform himself into mustard gas, and kill all his enemies just like that.  He's the most power creature in the start trek universe other than Q and Negilum. 



That wouldn't make him invincible; invincible means he cannot be harmed. It's quite possible he'd be killed when the people's lungs broke down his mustard gas form. Not to mention, he probably couldn't actually make mustard gas; was it ever shown that he could actually change his atomic structure, or just molecular?



Then, they make a story arch where he falls in love with Major Kira.  It doesn't make any sense.  "love" is the emotion attached to the biological imperative of reproduction.  We are attracted to suitable mates for teh purpose of procreation.  Odo isn't really a "man".  He's a blob that can make himself look like a man.  Why would he be attrackted to Kira.  There's nothing about his biology that would make him attracted to her.  He could just as easily spend his time as a Klingon Targ.  Would he then be attracted to a female Targ?



This goes into the whole nature/nurture debate. He may be a changeling, but his whole life, all he's really known is being a Bajoran. Besides, love is so much more than the physical need to reproduce; after all, following your logic, homosexuals don't actually "love" their partners (well, let's not get into that debate). There's plenty of emotional and even spiritual (not necessarily in a religious way) depth to it as well.



Why do the changelings have any gender at all?  Does that make sense?  what is the point of gender in a species that can transform itself into a rock or a cloud and combine into one giant organism called the great link. 



It was never stated they truly do have gender; in fact, it was strongly hinted at the opposite. Odo is "male" because Dr. Mora was male - he gained his appearance by mimicking him. The "female changeling" took her form to mimic Odo's (why she kept it that way, who knows. Possibly just to give a solid, static look to try and avoid disturbing the solids). Although it's quite likely that eons ago, they did have gender - she did state at one point that they were once solids and evolved into being changelings.


 



The way they have written the character simply makes no sense.  I am a NERD.  It pisses me off.



I feel for you, really. But to me, it's all quantifiable. Especially when taken with a few grains of salt.


 


A few notes on some other things I spotted in the thread:


 


With the combadge, perhaps he wore one, and covered it up with his form? Or perhaps his formed one didn't actually work? Perhaps it was actually a very basic design, more in line with a basic radio; he could also have used his whole body to house the electronics in a much larger, more simplistic form (think building a radio out of vacuum tubes vs a transistor - they'd both work, but obviously the transistor would be more compact and efficient).


The humanoid face is far more complicated to mimic than most anything else. And, as someone else stated, maybe he was just used to that look by the time he could do better.


 


As for his mass, perhaps his form only weighed a few dozen pounds (despite the occasional comment on him being heavy). If you follow the old "a pint's a pound" for water, that would only be about 40 pounds, based on the size of his bucket (around 4 gallons). So if you round up and say he weighed 50 or 60 pounds, that's still far less than a normal human. Although the theory that some of his mass is "extruded" into a subspace pocket or the like is far more likely. 


 (sorry about the crappy formatting. This board is weird when it comes to layout)

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Report this May. 24 2012, 2:05 pm

Quote: randy kerr @ May. 24 2012, 9:28 am

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>odo is awesome.

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Odo is awsome!!! ! PLEASE PEOPLE STOP BASHING HIM!!! who we should bash is Vedik Berial and Shakaar who stood in the whay of Odo!!!!


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