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Odo is the most nonsensical character EVER!

SeptuagintXXX

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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 2:25 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Mar. 26 2012, 9:37 pm

Quote: Broadstorm @ Mar. 26 2012, 9:13 pm

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>If there wasn't a sexual component to it, then why would he have been jealous of Kira's lovers?

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Note to menfolk of this world:

Romance, (and therefore jealousy) does happen independent of sex!
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Odo's jealousy was an emotional reaction to an emotional conundrum.


 


Note to womenfolk-- nothing, that is NOTHING, is independet of sex.  Karl Marx wrote Das Capital because of sex.  Isaac Newton discovered the laws of motion becuase of sex.  Henry Ford built the model T because of sex.  Adam ate the fruit because of sex.


 


In one episode Odo described what he felt like when Kira gave him a smile, or said something mean to him. His whole day would be effected. Odo was clearly in love.  Why would he be in love with a solid?  Think about it.  He only looks like  a  solid.  He doesn't have blood flowing through his vains or bile in his spleen.  He's not constantly flaking dead skin cells, and urinating and deficating.  He doesn't have a bowel full of feces.  Kira does.  If you aren't a human, human beings are prettky freaking gross.

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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 2:58 am

We don't know if the founders have something alike. Even Odo doesn't know that! So maybe he feels this "changeling"-way of sexual attraction for Kira?

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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 2:59 am

What I was asking myself when watching DS9 for the first time was why the female founder has the same non-ideal face Odo has. Of course she would be capable of imitating ANY face she'd wanted to. 


Is it to show kinship to Odo?


In this case it's irritating that the rest of the Dominion (Jem’Hadar as well as the Vorta) seem to recognize the founders when they are formed in this special non-perfect way. Or do they have other possibilities of indentifying a founder ? (I’m just trying to figure that out.)


Or is this face-shape-shifting simply the less exhausting way of doing so? In this case the founders aren’t  very vain I guess.  


But seriously, have you thought about that?


What also came to my mind is that Odo looks far too old. Actually, he should still be a child (at least in the episodes playing in the Terok Nor past). Why would someone make himself decades older?

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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 4:27 am

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class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;">Is it to show kinship to Odo?

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Very likely, yes. What more effective way to demonstrate kinship ties than to come out looking like you are of the same family? If Laas had gotten there first, she probably would have emerged looking something like him.


And many elements of romance are independent of sex! This is easily demonstrated by the fact that many asexual people can fall in love and form romantic relationships. Jealousy is an emotional response; and is easily triggered by "love", with or without a sexual element.


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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 4:45 am

 We are attracted to suitable mates for teh purpose of procreation


Try to sell that to the gay community. 


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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 5:25 am

And many elements of romance are independent of sex! This is easily demonstrated by the fact that many asexual people can fall in love and form romantic relationships. Jealousy is an emotional response; and is easily triggered by "love", with or without a sexual element.


I totally agree. Reducing nearly every human behaviour to the sexual instincts oversimplyfies complex behavior patterns.

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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 12:38 pm

Yes, you are right.  Odo's physiology is not always consistent in the episodes.  But, he is a unique character, and his abilities come in handy on numerous occasions.  So, overall, I think he is a valuable addition to the show.


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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 1:50 pm

there was an episode where odo and the female changeling had sex.  they both seemed kind of disappointed, and the female changeling asked if he wanted to "be intimate" with major kira in that way.  Odo said he didn't want to talk about it.


 


So here's the question.  Odo can certainly mimic the equipment, but would it be erogenous?  Can he mimic the hormones and neurotransmitters that make sex addictive and enjoyable?  Sex is a very complicated biological function. Also, if Kira asked him to look like someone else, like maybe Vedic Beriel, do you think that would insult Odo?  What if Kira wanted his equipment to be bigger.  Do you think odo would comply? 

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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 5:15 pm

Quote: SeptuagintXXX @ Mar. 27 2012, 2:25 am

>Note to womenfolk-- nothing, that is NOTHING, is independet of sex.  Karl Marx wrote Das Capital because of sex.  Isaac Newton discovered the laws of motion becuase of sex.  Henry Ford built the model T because of sex.  Adam ate the fruit because of sex.


Note to everyone.......the idea that the world revolves arounds sex is an over simplification of things.


Odo was clearly in love.  Why would he be in love with a solid?  Think about it. 


Yes, think about it.Really think about it.He was discovered by solids,He spent 19 years studdied by solids before he learned that he could shape shift.He was thern rased by solids.


Lived a total of almost 50 years with solids before he learned he wasnt alone in the universe,Ill say again, its no shock he developed solid traits, manerizems and the want for love,


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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 5:24 pm

I guess I think it is important that we consider how little is known throughout the entire series about Changelings. Even when Odo speaks with the "female" Changeling, she doesn't exactly dish out all the details of their existence. What she does tell us is that Changelings evolved from regular humanoids driven by the biological imperative to reproduce (apparently), into what they are now. It is understandable then, as others have mentioned before me, that we consider the influence that humanoids had in shaping Odo's personality and cares. It isn't like humanoids and Changlelings share no characterists. The Changelings are not non-corporial beings, like worm-hole aliens, at least, not yet.


While the Changelings do complain about the humanoid form, they still take it and can still experience things through it, and when Odo gets down with his first humanoid, he enjoys it, so, I think we can just let go of that argument and embrace that Changelings can fall in love and experience pleasure regardless of reproduction concerns. 


He's not the best character, but he's not the worst. The worst characters are the flat characters that are all good or all evil and never develop. Odo experiences on-going identity crisis and has to battle choosing where you come from or where you belong. 


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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 6:26 pm

 I think Odo is awsome  and can be funny  lol


 

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Report this Mar. 27 2012, 9:22 pm

Odo definitely brought a lot to DS9 and anyone who questions the whys and wherefores of his romance with Kira does not understand love.  One thing that Odo shares with Data is the desire to be a real humanoid.  With Data it's definitely a Pinnochio syndrome.  Odo has much of the identity crisis others have noted.


 


I never thought he was rip-off of the t-1000 mostly for two reasons:


1) He's not a robot from the future.


2) I'm not superficial.

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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 6:55 am

Note to womenfolk-- nothing, that is NOTHING, is independet of sex.  Karl Marx wrote Das Capital because of sex.  Isaac Newton discovered the laws of motion becuase of sex.  Henry Ford built the model T because of sex.  Adam ate the fruit because of sex.


 


Note to fellow primates:  It isn't all about us, let alone sex.  Odo was one of the few semi-successful attempts in the franchise to deal seriously with a non-humanoid sentient alien.  What is sentience, what is consciousness?  Could love arise from either are all profound questions.  The writers did an admirable job with a character's concept that obviously evolved over time.

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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 11:13 am

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>Note to womenfolk-- nothing, that is NOTHING, is independet of sex.  Karl Marx wrote Das Capital because of sex.  Isaac Newton discovered the laws of motion becuase of sex.  Henry Ford built the model T because of sex.  Adam ate the fruit because of sex.

>Note to fellow primates:  It isn't all about us, let alone sex.  Odo was one of the few semi-successful attempts in the franchise to deal seriously with a non-humanoid sentient alien.  What is sentience, what is consciousness?  Could love arise from either are all profound questions.  The writers did an admirable job with a character's concept that obviously evolved over time.

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They even tried to show that Odo's love for Kira had little to do with gender. In "Chimera", there seemed to be a chance that Odo and Laas could have had some sort of relationship -- their gendered appearance didn't enter into it.

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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 1:26 pm

^ Thanks Pooneil I was thinking the same thing (regarding Odo's "gender".) It could well be that he was socialised (by Bajorans etc) to find females attractive, but there's no reason why he would have to be picky. And the same goes for our culture: People aren't always attracted to the opposite sex. In that sense his "gender" and Kira's gender were not important. Although Kira is a bit picky with regard to appearance etc... She might have been a little more reticent had Odo been a lady.


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