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Mar. 29 2012, 11:17 am
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>What amazes me is the response to this whole tragedy. Instead of looking at this as a possible criminal matter for law enforcement, some people are trying to make it a political issue (even speaking about it in the chambers of Congress) and even the Black Panthers issuing a "Wanted" poster:
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I thnk it's because of the conduct of the police in the first place. If they had investigated properly we likely wouldn't be having this conversation?
and why does it surprise you that it's become political? what subject doesn't?
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Mar. 29 2012, 11:23 am
I'm angered by the fact that the right are blaming the victim. More and more evidence that Zimmerman is lying is coming out. Hell the fact that the kid was carrying a bag of skittles and iced tea while walking home and talking to his GF, points to the fact that the kid was not a threat or even doing anything wrong.
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Mar. 29 2012, 12:09 pm
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I thnk it's because of the conduct of the police in the first place. If they had investigated properly we likely wouldn't be having this conversation?
and why does it surprise you that it's become political? what subject doesn't?
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This is a local matter - not a federal one. If the local law enforcement can't do it, then the state can step in.
These idiots in Congress who think they can just use pigmentation as an excuse to spew their hatred is pathetic.
And you don't think that even if the police did what these instigators thought they should do... this wouldn't happen anyway? There's too much history proving otherwise.
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Mar. 29 2012, 12:14 pm
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I thnk it's because of the conduct of the police in the first place. If they had investigated properly we likely wouldn't be having this conversation?
and why does it surprise you that it's become political? what subject doesn't?
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This is a local matter - not a federal one. If the local law enforcement can't do it, then the state can step in.
These idiots in Congress who think they can just use pigmentation as an excuse to spew their hatred is pathetic.
And you don't think that even if the police did what these instigators thought they should do... this wouldn't happen anyway? There's too much history proving otherwise.
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the fact that it was weeks before the media picked it up makes me think that if it had been investegated properly in the first place it would not have been such an issue.
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Mar. 29 2012, 12:22 pm
Quote: wissa @ Mar. 29 2012, 12:14 pm | Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Mar. 29 2012, 12:09 pm | Quote: wissa @ Mar. 29 2012, 11:17 am | Quote: FleetAdmiral_BamBam @ Mar. 29 2012, 11:02 am | >
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I thnk it's because of the conduct of the police in the first place. If they had investigated properly we likely wouldn't be having this conversation?
and why does it surprise you that it's become political? what subject doesn't?
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This is a local matter - not a federal one. If the local law enforcement can't do it, then the state can step in.
These idiots in Congress who think they can just use pigmentation as an excuse to spew their hatred is pathetic.
And you don't think that even if the police did what these instigators thought they should do... this wouldn't happen anyway? There's too much history proving otherwise.
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the fact that it was weeks before the media picked it up makes me think that if it had been investegated properly in the first place it would not have been such an issue.
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I wonder how many people have been killed in the last few weeks that have had this kind of media spin? How many investigations weren't handled "properly" according to the media/politicos? I'd say a whole lot more.
No.... this issue is about making the situation worse - instigating more and moe hatred.
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Mar. 29 2012, 12:27 pm
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I thnk it's because of the conduct of the police in the first place. If they had investigated properly we likely wouldn't be having this conversation?
and why does it surprise you that it's become political? what subject doesn't?
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This is a local matter - not a federal one. If the local law enforcement can't do it, then the state can step in.
These idiots in Congress who think they can just use pigmentation as an excuse to spew their hatred is pathetic.
And you don't think that even if the police did what these instigators thought they should do... this wouldn't happen anyway? There's too much history proving otherwise.
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the fact that it was weeks before the media picked it up makes me think that if it had been investegated properly in the first place it would not have been such an issue.
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I wonder how many people have been killed in the last few weeks that have had this kind of media spin? How many investigations weren't handled "properly" according to the media/politicos? I'd say a whole lot more.
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probably. Who knows why one case captures the media's attention and not another. I do think any violent death of an unarmed minor should be taken seriously. There are so many bizarre things going on in this one though. It will probably make a good book one day.
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Mar. 29 2012, 12:28 pm
Quote: wissa @ Mar. 29 2012, 12:27 pm | >probably. Who knows why one case captures the media's attention and not another. I do think any violent death of an unarmed minor should be taken seriously. There are so many bizarre things going on in this one though. It will probably make a good book one day. |
How about all deaths should be taken seriously. All crime.
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Mar. 29 2012, 12:31 pm
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>probably. Who knows why one case captures the media's attention and not another. I do think any violent death of an unarmed minor should be taken seriously. There are so many bizarre things going on in this one though. It will probably make a good book one day. |
How about all deaths should be taken seriously. All crime.
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of course. But if a society can't protect it's children it isn't much of a society. In fact a convincing argument could be made that protecting children is the whole point of having a society in the first place.
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Mar. 29 2012, 12:40 pm
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How about all deaths should be taken seriously. All crime.
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of course. But if a society can't protect it's children it isn't much of a society. In fact a convincing argument could be made that protecting children is the whole point of having a society in the first place.
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Well then..... why not count all the murders of unborn babies?
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Mar. 29 2012, 1:51 pm
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>So we have a witness that heard fighting, we can hear fighting in one of the 911 calls, and we have another witness that saw fighting, yet neither Martin nor Zimmerman have any wounds.
>See, it's things like that... if there were no witnesses, then Zimmerman's story would be suspicious. But there ARE witnesses.
>On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.
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he looks fine to me. Doesn't look injured at all. And he is talking to the officers
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You can be injured and still stand. And he was cooperating with the police, so of course there'd be talk going on. Cops ask questions. People answer them. That's how it works.
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I doubt you can have your head pounded into a curb then have no visible injuries after. Nor would any self respecting paramedic allow to you not go to the hospital. He has no blood on him and looks completely normal. I thought you were interested in facts?
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As I've already stated, the video shows what appear to be lacerations, blood, and nasal swelling. Speaking of facts, it's too bad the quality was too shitty to be positive one way or the other.
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if he had injuries, wouldn't the police take pictures of them? If he had serious injuries why wouldn't he be taken to the hospital before the police station? and why didn't Martin have any marks on his hands?
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Who says the police didn't take pictures of his injuries. He recieved first aid from paramedics before being taken to the station for further questioning. He went to the hospital the next day.
As for why Martin doesn't have marks on his hands that is easy to explain given that according to reports Martin was slamming Zimmerman into the ground. A slam is a grab followed by a throw your fist doesn't hit the target any way thus there would be no marks on your hands. As for the punch one punch generally isn't enough to damage your hands unless you have exceptional punching power which most people don't.
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Mar. 29 2012, 2:26 pm
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>According to funeral director Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 17-year-old T rayvon Martin did not have any cuts or bruises on his hands to indicate that he was in a fight with George Zimmerman on the night that the neighborhood watch captain murdered him.
>Speaking exclusively to HLN’s Nancy Grace, Kurtz said that when he prepared Martin’s body the only injury that was discernible was a gunshot wound to Martin’s upper-chest area.
>Though Kurtz made it clear that he was not a forensic specialist, he shared that he had prepared the bodies of many homicide victims and the more he learned about the misconduct and negligence in Trayvon’s case the more he felt compelled to speak out. So an non expert gives his unprofesstional opinion to say he didn't see any injuries he isn't qualified to recognize.
>This report comes in the wake of the revealing police surveillance video obtained by ABC News that shows Zimmerman in good spirits as he chats with officers, and more importantly, with no discernible injuries — even though police reports claim that he suffered trauma to his nose (with Zimmerman claiming that it was broken), and had blood on his face and the back of his head. There were also no signs that his head had been “repeatedly slammed into the ground” by Martin. You do realize that this video is after he had been given first aid by paramedics so the head injury would have been cleaned up and any bleeding would have been stopped. From the video there isn't any way to tell if blood is on his jacket due to the color of the jacket. As for him appearing in good spirits his face is never show on camera so telling his emotional state in that situation is pure speculation.
>As more and more evidence comes to light in this case, one has to wonder to what lengths the Sanford Police Department has gone to conceal the truth about Trayvon’s murder. Speculation by people who want the man guilty isn't evidence |
http://newsone.com/nation/newsonestaff9/funeral-director-no-signs-of-fight-or-struggle-present-on-trayvons-hands/
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Mar. 29 2012, 2:41 pm
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>probably. Who knows why one case captures the media's attention and not another. I do think any violent death of an unarmed minor should be taken seriously. There are so many bizarre things going on in this one though. It will probably make a good book one day. |
How about all deaths should be taken seriously. All crime.
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of course. But if a society can't protect it's children it isn't much of a society. In fact a convincing argument could be made that protecting children is the whole point of having a society in the first place.
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Well then..... why not count all the murders of unborn babies?
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yeah, cause that is totally relevent here 
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Mar. 29 2012, 2:42 pm
I saw another article on that... They're demanding it from the AZ Tea too...
That's as stupid as the GOP demanding profits from Etch-a-Sketch or every "hoodie" manufacturer being forced to donate.
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Mar. 29 2012, 2:47 pm
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>probably. Who knows why one case captures the media's attention and not another. I do think any violent death of an unarmed minor should be taken seriously. There are so many bizarre things going on in this one though. It will probably make a good book one day. |
How about all deaths should be taken seriously. All crime.
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of course. But if a society can't protect it's children it isn't much of a society. In fact a convincing argument could be made that protecting children is the whole point of having a society in the first place.
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Well then..... why not count all the murders of unborn babies?
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yeah, cause that is totally relevent here
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You were the one that brought up protecting children and if a society can't/won't do that... "it's not much of a society." There is no other group more vulnerable.
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