The Strange Case of Trayvon Martin

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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 3:11 pm

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>If this case does not make people realize racism is not a problem in this country or that Republican laws are on-balance generally the exact opposite of "Good"; then I don't know what will. 

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 Of course racism is a problem in this country Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson make their living by trying to push racism on anything possible.  So being able to legally defend your self is  bad in the mind of Mr Rusty.  Why do liberals hate self defense?


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Report this Mar. 28 2012, 3:15 pm

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>Just to correct some misinformation.  Martin was not shot in the back.  He was shot in the chest.  This shot in the back rumor has been going around and I hate when misinformation is used to justify a belief.  I actually believed the shot in the back story till I did a little research.  Also Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head.  The police had a witness saying Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up.  Another witness says it was different.  You can count on Al Sharpton fanning any spark into a flame.  Were the police wrong in some of their actions. Yes.  Was Zimmerman a racist who followed an innocent kid, freaking him out for no reason?  Yes.  Did he just walk up to Martin and shoot him in the back like they are trying to portray?  I doubt it.

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Thank you for that follow up. I think this does point to a problem with these kinds of stories and a reason I tend to stay away from discussions of this sort. I do think that there is a lot that we still do not understand about what happened. We should allow the facts to be further investigated and explained. Still, AL Sharpton or no Al Sharpton, I can hardly blame the black community for being outraged by this incident. There definitely seems to be some very disturbing things going on.

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the man admittedly followed the boy with a car and a gun.  If the boy hit him he was acting is self defense


Trayvon Martin did not just "hit" Zimmerman. He broke tackled him, broke his nose, and proceeded to bash his head against the sidewalk. That's not defense, not in the slightest. Besides, Zimmerman was observing and reporting, which is what community watchers are supposed to do. Martin accosted Zimmerman, not the other way around.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 1:59 am

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>Just to correct some misinformation.  Martin was not shot in the back.  He was shot in the chest.  This shot in the back rumor has been going around and I hate when misinformation is used to justify a belief.  I actually believed the shot in the back story till I did a little research.  Also Zimmerman had a broken nose and lacerations on the back of his head.  The police had a witness saying Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him up.  Another witness says it was different.  You can count on Al Sharpton fanning any spark into a flame.  Were the police wrong in some of their actions. Yes.  Was Zimmerman a racist who followed an innocent kid, freaking him out for no reason?  Yes.  Did he just walk up to Martin and shoot him in the back like they are trying to portray?  I doubt it.

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Thank you for that follow up. I think this does point to a problem with these kinds of stories and a reason I tend to stay away from discussions of this sort. I do think that there is a lot that we still do not understand about what happened. We should allow the facts to be further investigated and explained. Still, AL Sharpton or no Al Sharpton, I can hardly blame the black community for being outraged by this incident. There definitely seems to be some very disturbing things going on.

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the man admittedly followed the boy with a car and a gun.  If the boy hit him he was acting is self defense

Trayvon Martin did not just "hit" Zimmerman. He broke tackled him, broke his nose, and proceeded to bash his head against the sidewalk. That's not defense, not in the slightest. Besides, Zimmerman was observing and reporting, which is what community watchers are supposed to do. Martin accosted Zimmerman, not the other way around.


As the police video that was released shows, none of this is remotely true.  He had no injuries to his nose or the back of his head.  It is a lie.  When people decide what the truth is based on their own political views and not any kind of actual facts, when they distrubute fake photos of the dead child to make him seem like a gang member, you realize how insane this country has become.  It's become clear from reports that Zimmerman was going to be arrested even before the media firestorm.  This fictional account you just shared is being pushed hard by conservatives.  Why?  Why believe someone you have never met or heard of before?  Why take up their cause?  What would possess anyone to just believe one version of events from a man who shot someone with no weapon in his possession?  Politics and race.  When you start believing the crap being spun by a killer just because of your political viewpoint, then there is something seriously wrong with you.


The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few--or the one.

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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 6:17 am

You know whats irritating.  You listen to one media source, you get one story.  Another media source gives you another story.  NO ONE is to be trusted anymore.  Every media source has an agenda.  They all lie or omit important facts.  I believe none anymore.  People can all kill each other for all I care anymore as long as they leave me alone. 


No response must mean you all agree.

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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 8:46 am

As the police video that was released shows, none of this is remotely true.  He had no injuries to his nose or the back of his head.  It is a lie. 


He had what appeared to be lacerations on the back of his head, his nose looked swollen, and he had what looked like a big old blood stain down the front of his jacket. The problem is, the video is of such low quality, you can't actually tell one way or the other. Not to mention that every source that has released it for some reason put their watermark of Zimmerman's head for the majority of the video...


When people decide what the truth is based on their own political views and not any kind of actual facts, when they distrubute fake photos of the dead child to make him seem like a gang member, you realize how insane this country has become.


I could say the same thing. The only pictures the media have been using are years old, making him look like an innocent little kid. Why haven't they used more recent photos? But then again, I'm not the one basing my opinion on political views. Otherwise, I'd just fall in line with all the other liberals claiming that Travon Martin was killed in racially-motivated cold-blooded attack.


  It's become clear from reports that Zimmerman was going to be arrested even before the media firestorm.


What reports? If he was "going to be arrested," they would've done it by now.


  This fictional account you just shared is being pushed hard by conservatives. 


"Fictional." Because there's nothing ficitional about the tripe you've been spoon fed.


Why?  Why believe someone you have never met or heard of before? Why take up their cause?  What would possess anyone to just believe one version of events from a man who shot someone with no weapon in his possession?


Well, if you're going to go with that, then I must ask why I should believe you? I don't believe it just because of who's involved. I believe it because I've read multiple articles from different sources, I've listened to the 911 calls, I've watched the police surveilance video, I've read all the witness reports. I've analyzed the situation from both viewpoints, and have come to the conclusion that the "it was murder not self-defense" viewpoint raises more questions than it answers.


  Politics and race.  When you start believing the crap being spun by a killer just because of your political viewpoint, then there is something seriously wrong with you.


And when you make assumptions, you look like an idiot.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 9:15 am

[quote]According to funeral director Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, 17-year-old Trayvon Martin did not have any cuts or bruises on his hands to indicate that he was in a fight with George Zimmerman on the night that the neighborhood watch captain murdered him.


Speaking exclusively to HLN’s Nancy Grace, Kurtz said that when he prepared Martin’s body the only injury that was discernible was a gunshot wound to Martin’s upper-chest area.


Though Kurtz made it clear that he was not a forensic specialist, he shared that he had prepared the bodies of many homicide victims and the more he learned about the misconduct and negligence in Trayvon’s case the more he felt compelled to speak out.


This report comes in the wake of the revealing police surveillance video obtained by ABC News that shows Zimmerman in good spirits as he chats with officers, and more importantly, with no discernible injuries — even though police reports claim that he suffered trauma to his nose (with Zimmerman claiming that it was broken), and had blood on his face and the back of his head. There were also no signs that his head had been “repeatedly slammed into the ground” by Martin.


As more and more evidence comes to light in this case, one has to wonder to what lengths the Sanford Police Department has gone to conceal the truth about Trayvon’s murder.[/quote]


 


http://newsone.com/nation/newsonestaff9/funeral-director-no-signs-of-fight-or-struggle-present-on-trayvons-hands/


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 9:30 am

So we have a witness that heard fighting, we can hear fighting in one of the 911 calls, and we have another witness that saw fighting, yet neither Martin nor Zimmerman have any wounds.


See, it's things like that... if there were no witnesses, then Zimmerman's story would be suspicious. But there ARE witnesses.


On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.

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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 9:35 am

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>See, it's things like that... if there were no witnesses, then Zimmerman's story would be suspicious. But there ARE witnesses.

>On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.

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he looks fine to me.  Doesn't look injured at all. And he is talking to the officers


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 9:37 am

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>On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.

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he looks fine to me.  Doesn't look injured at all. And he is talking to the officers


You can be injured and still stand. And he was cooperating with the police, so of course there'd be talk going on. Cops ask questions. People answer them. That's how it works.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 9:46 am

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>See, it's things like that... if there were no witnesses, then Zimmerman's story would be suspicious. But there ARE witnesses.

>On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.

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he looks fine to me.  Doesn't look injured at all. And he is talking to the officers

You can be injured and still stand. And he was cooperating with the police, so of course there'd be talk going on. Cops ask questions. People answer them. That's how it works.


I doubt you can have your head pounded into a curb then have no visible injuries after.  Nor would any self respecting paramedic allow to you not go to the hospital.  He has no blood on him and looks completely normal.  I thought you were interested in facts?


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 10:01 am

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>See, it's things like that... if there were no witnesses, then Zimmerman's story would be suspicious. But there ARE witnesses.

>On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.

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he looks fine to me.  Doesn't look injured at all. And he is talking to the officers

You can be injured and still stand. And he was cooperating with the police, so of course there'd be talk going on. Cops ask questions. People answer them. That's how it works.

I doubt you can have your head pounded into a curb then have no visible injuries after.  Nor would any self respecting paramedic allow to you not go to the hospital.  He has no blood on him and looks completely normal.  I thought you were interested in facts?


As I've already stated, the video shows what appear to be lacerations, blood, and nasal swelling. Speaking of facts, it's too bad the quality was too shitty to be positive one way or the other.


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 10:04 am

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>See, it's things like that... if there were no witnesses, then Zimmerman's story would be suspicious. But there ARE witnesses.

>On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.

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he looks fine to me.  Doesn't look injured at all. And he is talking to the officers

You can be injured and still stand. And he was cooperating with the police, so of course there'd be talk going on. Cops ask questions. People answer them. That's how it works.

I doubt you can have your head pounded into a curb then have no visible injuries after.  Nor would any self respecting paramedic allow to you not go to the hospital.  He has no blood on him and looks completely normal.  I thought you were interested in facts?

As I've already stated, the video shows what appear to be lacerations, blood, and nasal swelling. Speaking of facts, it's too bad the quality was too shitty to be positive one way or the other.


if he had injuries, wouldn't the police take pictures of them?  If he had serious injuries why wouldn't he be taken to the hospital before the police station?  and why didn't Martin have any marks on his hands?


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 10:09 am

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>See, it's things like that... if there were no witnesses, then Zimmerman's story would be suspicious. But there ARE witnesses.

>On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.

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he looks fine to me.  Doesn't look injured at all. And he is talking to the officers

You can be injured and still stand. And he was cooperating with the police, so of course there'd be talk going on. Cops ask questions. People answer them. That's how it works.

I doubt you can have your head pounded into a curb then have no visible injuries after.  Nor would any self respecting paramedic allow to you not go to the hospital.  He has no blood on him and looks completely normal.  I thought you were interested in facts?

As I've already stated, the video shows what appear to be lacerations, blood, and nasal swelling. Speaking of facts, it's too bad the quality was too shitty to be positive one way or the other.

if he had injuries, wouldn't the police take pictures of them?  If he had serious injuries why wouldn't he be taken to the hospital before the police station?  and why didn't Martin have any marks on his hands?


I wouldn't know what those police would do in that situation. But I could ask a similar question: If the funeral director felt to morally obligated to say something, why didn't he take pictures?


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 10:22 am

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>See, it's things like that... if there were no witnesses, then Zimmerman's story would be suspicious. But there ARE witnesses.

>On, and Wissa... love how that article says that Zimmerman was "in good spirits as he chats with officers" in the video, when anyone who's seen the video can tell you that his head is hung down and he's just standing there. Hardly "good spirits." When the media bias is so blatant, one has to question it. And question it I do.

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he looks fine to me.  Doesn't look injured at all. And he is talking to the officers

You can be injured and still stand. And he was cooperating with the police, so of course there'd be talk going on. Cops ask questions. People answer them. That's how it works.

I doubt you can have your head pounded into a curb then have no visible injuries after.  Nor would any self respecting paramedic allow to you not go to the hospital.  He has no blood on him and looks completely normal.  I thought you were interested in facts?

As I've already stated, the video shows what appear to be lacerations, blood, and nasal swelling. Speaking of facts, it's too bad the quality was too shitty to be positive one way or the other.

if he had injuries, wouldn't the police take pictures of them?  If he had serious injuries why wouldn't he be taken to the hospital before the police station?  and why didn't Martin have any marks on his hands?

I wouldn't know what those police would do in that situation. But I could ask a similar question: If the funeral director felt to morally obligated to say something, why didn't he take pictures?


at the time of the funeral he probably had no inkling that there was going to be any controversy at all.  Not to mention, if it got known a funeral home was taking pictures of the bodies that passed through their doors they would likely be forced out of business.  Don't you think that's a rather huge overstepping of what is appropriate?


 


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Report this Mar. 29 2012, 11:02 am

What amazes me is the response to this whole tragedy.  Instead of looking at this as a possible criminal matter for law enforcement, some people are trying to make it a political issue (even speaking about it in the chambers of Congress)  and even the Black Panthers issuing a "Wanted" poster:


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