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Do the ends justify the means?

Hugues

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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 4:32 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Apr. 11 2012, 11:54 pm

Quote: captainroe @ Apr. 11 2012, 4:28 pm

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>If that's what it takes for a country, empire, etc. to stay in power, then so be it. 

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So it's a question of power, not survival. Power over others that is not always legitimate.


It never is.


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miklamar

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Report this Apr. 12 2012, 12:26 pm

Quote: Hugues @ Apr. 12 2012, 4:32 am

Quote: OtakuJo @ Apr. 11 2012, 11:54 pm

Quote: captainroe @ Apr. 11 2012, 4:28 pm

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>If that's what it takes for a country, empire, etc. to stay in power, then so be it. 

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So it's a question of power, not survival. Power over others that is not always legitimate.

It never is.


I agree.  But, those who grab it don't care.  They just want others to obey the laws they impose.


That's why clandestine organizations want to stay secretive: they don't want anyone to pass judgment on their immoral, unethical actions.


And, again, I draw a distinction between intelligence gathering, which I feel is legitimate,and the intelligence services' operating outside the laws of humanity (such as committing murder and spreading anarchy).


Var Miklama--Zakdorn, engineer. "A sound mind in a FULL body!" "Time, like latinum, is a limited quantity in the galaxy."

knighttremmor

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 2:16 pm

Personaly i would join section 31

MoppyCGDaniels

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 2:51 pm

Why? I mean it's a question where the line has throawn to violate law in order to protect it.


 


@ knighttremmor would you realy join a organisation that commits indeed genocide?

Jason222

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Report this Apr. 18 2012, 6:51 pm

I am not sure tought one hand at camp break few rules  and risk fire and to stop a real security problem happen. Fact end day protect idealogy could section 31 have simlir justication on other hand authoery must part know I doing get little more then execpt. I guess if it call for it tough one.


 

knighttremmor

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Report this Apr. 20 2012, 5:08 pm

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Why? I mean it's a question where the line has throawn to violate law in order to protect it.


 


@ knighttremmor would you realy join a organisation that commits indeed genocide?


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yeah i would beacuse in my opinion if  the genocide of 1 race means that countless others say 20 survive then is that not a small price to pay ? yeah it means that a lot of peapol will die 


Starfleet Charter, Article 14, Section 31, which allowed for extraordinary measures to be taken in times of extreme threat


id say that a dominion invasion of the federation would be an extreme threat everybody knew this and who are the leaders of the dominion the founders and without them the dominion would crumble and section 31 saw an opportunity two take them out so they took it 


 


would'nt you ?

vulcan7

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Report this May. 06 2012, 9:32 pm

I didnt like the idea of section in the begining(what would gene thought of this idea?)the idea that they decide to comit genocide(by giving the founders the virus to protect the federation)ok,they were thinking of protecting the alpha quadrant,if they conceded in wiping out the founders,they would the same thing to any species they find that is a threat to the federation.

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