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How come in Star Terk Enterpise Twlight why did only 2 of the five race Xindi attack last Human colony.

Jason222

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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 7:58 pm

When the human made their last stand ag againist Xindi genicide how come only 2 races of five race of Xindi were attacking. Were where other once? Does anyone here have any answers.

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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 9:01 pm

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>When the human made their last stand ag againist Xindi genicide how come only 2 races of five race of Xindi were attacking. Were where other once? Does anyone here have any answers.

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Easy. Because at that point the Xindi themselves were divided. The alliance of their council was always, at best, a precarious one -- and towards the end we saw the effects of fractured unity among them. The other races eventually sided with Archer.


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Mitchz95

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Report this Mar. 15 2012, 9:15 pm

The Reptilians and Insectoids have always been portrayed as the main military arm of the Xindi. It makes sense that they'd be the ones to finish the extermination of humanity.


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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 3:22 am

The other races siding with Archer was very likely not the case in that scenario.  Remember that was one of those alternate reality until we hit the reset button episodes in which the Xindi actually took out Earth.  That required at least 3 of the 5 codes.  It is unlikely that Sato was used and then rescued in the Twilight timeline like she was in normal one.  There was actually a comment about the Reptilians & Insectoids being more militant & their ships being equipped accordingly.  Also, as the races were divided, even if the others didn't side with Archer, it is plausible that with Humans numbering in the thousands rather than billions, that they were no longer considered a threat. 


There is another idea which was never directly stated or even implied either way.  Many ships could not leave the Delphic Expanse.  Perhaps the more militaristic designs of those 2 races also made the difference in the ability to get through the barrier surrounding the Expanse.

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 8:05 am

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>There is another idea which was never directly stated or even implied either way.  Many ships could not leave the Delphic Expanse.  Perhaps the more militaristic designs of those 2 races also made the difference in the ability to get through the barrier surrounding the Expanse.

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The Kumari made it back through, as did a Klingon ship mentioned in "The Expanse" (though the crew was 'anatomically inverted'). I believe the only people who couldn't leave the Expanse were the Osaarian pirates in "Anomaly". Maybe their engines reacted badly with the thermobaric cloud barrier, and finally breached when they tried to get through a second time.


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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 8:55 am

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Obviously, it's a typo. An easy typo to make when the E and R keys are right next to each other.


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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 1:28 pm

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>The Reptilians and Insectoids have always been portrayed as the main military arm of the Xindi. It makes sense that they'd be the ones to finish the extermination of humanity.

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In practice the Xindi Aqautic have must powerful warship of all the Xindi. I offer 2 different possible on   human turn biological weapons way trying stop Xindi genocide campaign and they successful wipe out all but two. Another possible just issues who make sense to send them for example Insectiods and Reptilians starship were much faster then Aqautic starships . The other two race would have been no match for the Earth starships  at the time. Fearing human give time to flee and having to start search all over again could also been reason as well. 

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 2:06 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 16 2012, 8:05 am

Quote: Broadstorm @ Mar. 16 2012, 3:22 am

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>There is another idea which was never directly stated or even implied either way.  Many ships could not leave the Delphic Expanse.  Perhaps the more militaristic designs of those 2 races also made the difference in the ability to get through the barrier surrounding the Expanse.

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The Kumari made it back through, as did a Klingon ship mentioned in "The Expanse" (though the crew was 'anatomically inverted'). I believe the only people who couldn't leave the Expanse were the Osaarian pirates in "Anomaly". Maybe their engines reacted badly with the thermobaric cloud barrier, and finally breached when they tried to get through a second time.


I know some ships made it out, but remember Soval's comment that several Vulcan ship had entered, but few had returned.  We know why one of them didn't return, but not the others.  The Xindi were already on the move as their homeworld had been destroyed.  It might be why they didn't relocate beyond the Expanse.  Of course, this is speculative, but plausible.

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 2:24 pm

Quote: Jason222 @ Mar. 16 2012, 1:28 pm

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class="MsoNormal">In practice the Xindi Aqautic have must powerful warship of all the Xindi. I offer 2 different possible on   human turn biological weapons way trying stop Xindi genocide campaign and they successful wipe out all but two. Another possible just issues who make sense to send them for example Insectiods and Reptilians starship were much faster then Aqautic starships . The other two race would have been no match for the Earth starships  at the time. Fearing human give time to flee and having to start search all over again could also been reason as well. 

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I think the second possibility is much more likely, since the way the extermination was portrayed in the episode, humanity didn't have time to do much more than run.


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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 3:45 pm

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class="MsoNormal">In practice the Xindi Aqautic have must powerful warship of all the Xindi. I offer 2 different possible on   human turn biological weapons way trying stop Xindi genocide campaign and they successful wipe out all but two. Another possible just issues who make sense to send them for example Insectiods and Reptilians starship were much faster then Aqautic starships . The other two race would have been no match for the Earth starships  at the time. Fearing human give time to flee and having to start search all over again could also been reason as well. 

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I think the second possibility is much more likely, since the way the extermination was portrayed in the episode, humanity didn't have time to do much more than run.


Agreed.  The second of those is much more plausible.  Even if the Humans did develop biological weapons effective against 3 of the 5 remaining Xindi species, the Xindi are far too scattered for it to spread effectively.  The infected would simply be isolated.

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 4:44 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 16 2012, 8:05 am

Quote: Broadstorm @ Mar. 16 2012, 3:22 am

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>There is another idea which was never directly stated or even implied either way.  Many ships could not leave the Delphic Expanse.  Perhaps the more militaristic designs of those 2 races also made the difference in the ability to get through the barrier surrounding the Expanse.

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The Kumari made it back through, as did a Klingon ship mentioned in "The Expanse" (though the crew was 'anatomically inverted'). I believe the only people who couldn't leave the Expanse were the Osaarian pirates in "Anomaly". Maybe their engines reacted badly with the thermobaric cloud barrier, and finally breached when they tried to get through a second time.


I rewatched Impulse. T'Pol stated that the Vulcan ship they encountered was not supposed to enter the Expanse.  It was charting the barrier & got pulled in.

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Report this Mar. 16 2012, 7:39 pm

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>I rewatched Impulse. T'Pol stated that the Vulcan ship they encountered was not supposed to enter the Expanse.  It was charting the barrier & got pulled in.

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Don't forget the Vaankara. It was sent in to rescue the Seleya, but met the same fate.


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Report this Mar. 17 2012, 3:35 am

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 16 2012, 7:39 pm

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>I rewatched Impulse. T'Pol stated that the Vulcan ship they encountered was not supposed to enter the Expanse.  It was charting the barrier & got pulled in.

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Don't forget the Vaankara. It was sent in to rescue the Seleya, but met the same fate.


Right, but I was pointing out the issue with the barrier.  The Seleya wasn't even in the Expanse trying to get out like you mentioned with the Oosarrian ships.  It was pulled in, so the barrier does more than just mess with the engines.  The barrier may or may not have been the issue with the Vaankara.  Soval only stated that the ship was destroyed, but didnt point out how. 


The Vaankara does raise a question.  Soval said the ship was in the Expanse for 2 days before it sent the distress signal followed by video of the crazed crew only 6 hours later.  It would seem that they learned about the trellium D & found some almost immediately.

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Report this Mar. 17 2012, 8:32 pm

Quote: Mitchz95 @ Mar. 16 2012, 2:24 pm

Quote: Jason222 @ Mar. 16 2012, 1:28 pm

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class="MsoNormal">In practice the Xindi Aqautic have must powerful warship of all the Xindi. I offer 2 different possible on   human turn biological weapons way trying stop Xindi genocide campaign and they successful wipe out all but two. Another possible just issues who make sense to send them for example Insectiods and Reptilians starship were much faster then Aqautic starships . The other two race would have been no match for the Earth starships  at the time. Fearing human give time to flee and having to start search all over again could also been reason as well. 

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I think the second possibility is much more likely, since the way the extermination was portrayed in the episode, humanity didn't have time to do much more than run.


Human on run but they had least one classied base call Cold station 12.Here is the link http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cold_Station_12


It very likley that the humans would have had other classfied bases as well. A Special section 31 had at least  a few topic secert bases of there own.  That would have been well hiden. It hard for Xindi to find the last human colony been even more harder for them to find all topic secert bases. Must of the knowlege about them would have been destory instead that Earth was destroy. It very possible all people know bases other Doctor Phlox and few others were died or in bases at time Twlight. That blow Earth up aim genicide compaign againist human race never made any sense to me.  All the topic secert bases well be even harder to find.

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Report this Mar. 17 2012, 8:40 pm

Quote: Jason222 @ Mar. 17 2012, 8:32 pm

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>Maybe ,maybe not we do know of at least once classied base call Cold station 12.Here is the link http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Cold_Station_12

>Very likley that humans would had other classfied bases as well. A Special section 31 likely at least  a few topic secert bases.  That would have been well hiden.Hard Xindi to find in first place. Xindi trouble last human colony they been near possible human topic secert bases.

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That's true, they did have secret bases like CS12. But I don't think they would have had the resources to launch a bio-attack after Earth was destroyed, even if they could find the Xindi. And ship carrying the pathogens would have been destroyed immediately, and from what we saw in "Twilight", the Xindi generally destroyed everything from orbit rather than beaming down troops.


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