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Errand of Mercy: The Criminally Underrated TOS Episode

Roddenberry's Disciple

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Report this Mar. 21 2012, 1:32 pm

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>Did they keep Kor similar to how he was in "Errand of Mercy" in the DS9 episodes, or did they work overtime adapting Colicos to the "new" Klingon mannerisms, besides the physical appearance?

>I just know about the Albino and the search for the Sword of Kahless.

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I thought they did a great job with Kor in the DS9 era.He was still imperialistic in nature.


Well, you're obviously a fan of Kor, so I'll take your words as the truth!


I heard they totally "manned-up" Koloth from "Tribbles", but I haven't heard much of how Kang was in DS9 and VOY.  What do you think of their re-appearances?


"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Mar. 21 2012, 1:52 pm

Quote: Roddenberry's Disciple @ Mar. 21 2012, 1:32 pm

Quote: stovokor2000-A @ Mar. 21 2012, 10:20 am

Quote: Roddenberry's Disciple @ Mar. 20 2012, 7:11 pm

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>Did they keep Kor similar to how he was in "Errand of Mercy" in the DS9 episodes, or did they work overtime adapting Colicos to the "new" Klingon mannerisms, besides the physical appearance?

>I just know about the Albino and the search for the Sword of Kahless.

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I thought they did a great job with Kor in the DS9 era.He was still imperialistic in nature.

Well, you're obviously a fan of Kor, so I'll take your words as the truth!

I heard they totally "manned-up" Koloth from "Tribbles", but I haven't heard much of how Kang was in DS9 and VOY.  What do you think of their re-appearances?

I thought they were all great,Kang seemed very much like his TOS self....... but they did "man up" Koloth a bit...........but truth be told, I'm not sure if my impression of TOS Koloth is tainted by how the same actore portaryrd the character of Ternale.


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Report this Mar. 21 2012, 5:40 pm

Koloth made for a pretty sub par Klingon, even by the early standards of TOS (although the campiness worked for "The Trouble with Tribbles").  William Campbell was better as the "proto-Q" Trelane (Squire of Gothos). 


It would have been a more interesting story if it turned out that Koloth WAS Trelane, having escaped from the clutches of his parents and having gained a newfound interest in the Klingon Empire rather than the Napoleonic era French Empire.  (Although, of course, this doesn't explain why Koloth doesn't act like a meddling child, of course). 


 


"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Mar. 21 2012, 5:47 pm

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>I've always looked at Koloth and Trelane as two completely separate characters despite the fact they were played by the same actor. Treat it like you would Jeffrey Combs.


Believe me, I've tried, but I originally watched those episodes back ib 75, when I was about 4, some things are just stuck in my head since childhood.


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Report this Mar. 21 2012, 5:48 pm

Quote: Roddenberry's Disciple @ Mar. 21 2012, 5:40 pm

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>Koloth made for a pretty sub par Klingon, even by the early standards of TOS (although the campiness worked for "The Trouble with Tribbles").  William Campbell was better as the "proto-Q" Trelane (Squire of Gothos). 

>It would have been a more interesting story if it turned out that Koloth WAS Trelane, having escaped from the clutches of his parents and having gained a newfound interest in the Klingon Empire rather than the Napoleonic era French Empire.  (Although, of course, this doesn't explain why Koloth doesn't act like a meddling child, of course).
I like that idea.


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Report this Mar. 21 2012, 6:05 pm

True fans of Trek have the great ideas.


"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 11:24 am

True. But the later shows are TNG spin offs, moreso, rather than TOS spin offs, in truth.

"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 6:27 pm

Well, yeah I guess Enterprise is more of a prequel spin off of TOS.  I don't see why people don't like that show.  It had a lot of promise, and some classic episodes. 


"Star Trek" was, is, and will always be "Star Trek" (as in the original series). "The Next Generation" is a spectacular show that I more or less consider equal to the original, and DS9 is pretty good (albeit far overrated by many). The first 8 movies are fine by me too!

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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 7:17 pm

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>Well, yeah I guess Enterprise is more of a prequel spin off of TOS.  I don't see why people don't like that show.  It had a lot of promise, and some classic episodes. 

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Having "a lot of promise" does not make a show good.


After all, "potential" is the French word for "hasn't actually done $#!+"


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Report this Mar. 22 2012, 7:26 pm

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>True fans of Trek also find it within themselves to accept all of Star Trek as one great story.

>I refer of course to your signature line.

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So, while I wholeheartedly believe that the original Star Trek series is FAR AND AWAY superior to anything that came after...and while I also tend to think of and refer to the later series as "spin off's..."


...I ultimately agree with what you are trying to convey here. There is no "real" Star Trek and there CERTAINLY are no "real" Star Terk fans. That is an arrogant conciet for someone to assume that they can rank and label fans judgementally like that. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes within the franchise. Afterall, it's a frigging BIG and diverse franchise!


-I've been watching since 1975.


-I have seen every episode of every series except for ENT at this point, where I missed about a 1/3 because I lost interest.


-I have been to 7 conventions and met all original cast members except for DeKelly (including Majel Barrett)


-I went to the Star Trek Experience in Vegas 3 different times


-I have literally almost 10K worth of Star Trek collectibles, gathered over a lifetime.


...and I am no more a "true" Star Trek fan than someone who is a fan of Voyager and has only been watching for a few months. Being a "true" fan is, in my opinikon, more about being moved / changed / inspired by the franchise than it is about what you like, what era you're fond of, how long you've been around, etc.


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Report this Mar. 23 2012, 2:50 am

and here I was thinking there was still a third page of discussion on Errand of Mercy going on

Joking aside

It's such a great episode! I loved the way they were able to portray so much with such a small budget/scale.

but I'm still curious, (all of the later comments in this thread are great!), but why does it always seem like it's the same bunch of people who are always preoccupied with the whole "what's-what of Star Trek fandom" discussion?

I could be wrong, but it always seems like it's fixated for people to keep moving the topic there.



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Report this Mar. 24 2012, 9:56 am

The Kor-centric DS9 episodes include:


- "Blood Oath"


- "Sword of Kahless"


- "Once More Unto the Breach"


All are excellent.


 


Oh, and I've always liked "Errand of Mercy" and would never have considered it underrated.


Just curious, RD, are you a relatively new fan?


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Report this Mar. 25 2012, 7:29 am

Part of the problem likely stems from having actors  (Shatner,Colicos and Nimoy) of such charisma and playing very dynamic characters(Kirk, Kor and Spock) pitted against cyphers(The Organians)


The actors playing the Organians started off as low key and evolved into balls of light. Not many juicy dramatic moments for the actors to chew on, or an audience to latch on to in the character of the Organians.


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Report this May. 20 2012, 10:48 am

Definitely in my top two for TOS.  However, I continue to be a bit torn by the ending.  I would really like to see how this episode would have progressed if the natives really were stagnant and unable to comprehend Kirk's warnings.  In other words, I kind of wish Kirk's perceptions of the people as spineless, not willing to fight for their own survival, indifferent, was the reality.  I think this would have made the final resolution much more difficult to craft.  How and why do you fight for a people who do not care about their own survival?  If they don't care, why should you?  At that point, is it okay to use them as pawns in your overall mission (i.e., a strategic military base)?  Better you than the enemy.


The downside of this is that it would have eliminated the food for thought that was presented at the end in which we learn that the Organians are to us as we are to the amoeba which is really a mind-boggling concept.  Further, Kirk's embarassment at the end when realizing that he, as a human, is far from the top of the evolutionary pyramid, and Spock's encouragement that there is nothing to be embarassed about because we act the way we do (the humans and even the vulcans) simply because we aren't that evolved yet.  Imagine meeting a species of life that could make you feel that insignificant.

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Report this May. 23 2012, 11:58 am

Is it underrated?  I'd thought it was a very well regarded episode, actually.  Anyway, yes, it is an excellent episode.

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